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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...

We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.

This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road.  There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass. 

Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic. 

The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs!  Drivers beware!

I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.

Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic

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Fascinating! Simples

Eddy! I strongly disagree . 
I was reliably informed that LTNs are in no way shape or form divisive! 
I was also told that there are no winners or losers. Everyone’s on board. I think!?

With all the chat about West Green Rd I wonder if fixing the Alfoxton junction will be revisited (again).

This seems to be the latest scheme that fell through https://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/1-5million-improvements-to... but it seems sensible to look at it again.

On Friday morning at 9.25 I walked from the Salisbury to the Laurels medical centre along St Ann's Road.  Having heard the furor about the effect of the LTN on boundary roads, I paid particular attention to the traffic which seemed surprisingly light.  In fact during the ten minute walk I was passed by just 30 motor vehicles going SE and by 40 going NW.  These figures include one bus in each direction, one HGV in each direction and a handful of motorbikes.  There was also a small number of bicycles which I didn't count.  At no point was there any queuing or waiting. I dare say that an hour earlier, the traffic might have been heavier but at 9.30am I certainly didn't need to worry about traffic fumes or danger in crossing the road.  Needless to say all the turnings on the north side of St Ann's road were deserted save for the two buses which used Black Boy Lane.

That's because in the morning it is West Green Road that is gridlocked between about 8 and 10am. In the evening St Anns Road clogs at the junction with Harringay Road. In both cases rush hours traffic is trying to enter Green lanes where the junctions are blocked. It has a hideous effect on pollution and long delayed bus journeys. To take a liquid flow analogy, before the LTN's traffic flowed along the rivulets but now these are blocked it floods the river.

The LTN's were introduced to solve an ill defined problem and have created a far worse one.

That is correct. St Anns Road is horrid in the evening rush hours. Cars and lorries queue down St Anns. This blocks Salisbury Rd and makes life unbearable for those poor souls on Harringay Road. The Harringay Road congestion then blocks Green Lanes at the Colina corner. That further stalls progress along Green Lanes as drivers creep across the road in desperation to get through the lights. It seems that the Council are providing two options: walk or travel in the middle of the day or night.

LTNs don't work around major thoroughfares.

I wonder how all this is effecting the health of local children.

It's not exaggerated. I see the chaos around the St Anns, Harringay Rd, Colina, Green Lanes nexus every week day evening.

And in the morning try the 41, 67 or 230 bus going west on West Green Road. The journey time has increased by about 20 minutes sat in crawling traffic that did not exist prior to the LTN.

After reading posts on here and on Next door, I allowed an extra hour to be sure of getting to a 9.30 am hospital appointment today in central London. Caught a 41 - which was briefly held up on West Green Road because cars had as ever parked on double yellow lines by Sainsburys local near Seven Sisters  but it only took 15 minutes (sic) from Philip Lane to Tottenham Hale . There was very light traffic on Philip Lane too and nothing sticking out of side roads near Seven Sisters. So much smoother than it used to be - and I've spent 17 years commuting so cant see what fuss is.

That's in the other direction. It's going west that is the problem.

Unusually I took the Tube today from Turnpike Lane (I usually cycle to work) and walked along West Green Road from the Woodlands Park Road junction at around 8.30am and there was virtually no traffic. I know it's half-term but I was amazed how quiet it was.

Incidentally a couple of weeks ago I went to look at Harringay Road/Colina Road at around 6pm midweek and again I was surprised how quiet it was. No queue whatsoever turning right from St Ann's Road into Harringay Rd or at the end of Colina Road turning into Green Lanes. Almost no cars at all. 

I don't doubt others' observations, but I can only report what I saw and was very pleasantly surprised.

The effect is a chain reaction starting at Green Lanes and working backwards. 

Cars can't make the right turn out of Colina, which at busy times backs up all the way down to St Ann's.

Traffic often backs up down St Ann's as the right turn onto Harringay is short.

This happens about once per day for a couple of hours at a time in the evening rush hour and when it does, air quality takes a massive dive.

Traffic in the morning rush hour is also noticeably busier, compared to before the LTN.

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