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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...

We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.

This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road.  There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass. 

Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic. 

The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs!  Drivers beware!

I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.

Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic

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This morning at 8am the traffic on West Green Road was backed up all the way from Green Lanes to Cornwall Road which is the longest it has been since the St Anns LTN came in. So the 67 bus may breeze up Black Boy Lane but only to sit with the 41, 230 and W4 in a half a mile traffic jam attempting to get onto Green Lanes. The 141 can hopefully cross the gridlocked roundabout at West Green Road/Black Boy Lane but even that will delay it. How anyone can expect to get to school or work on time who uses buses is a mystery that I think Councillor Hakata should explain to the people who did not ask for but have to endure this. Perhaps like Norman (Lord) Tebbit he will exult us all to get on our bikes. Another deaf eared politician I imagine.

Well winter's coming and that only brings more traffic so unless the LTN is scrapped we can expect more misery on the buses and more pollution on the so called boundary roads. Will TfL claim that the heavy bus delays were due to the wrong sort of LTN? Does anyone who makes decisions ever actually use the buses?

The traffic was static from Green Lanes to Dorset Road, next to West Green Baptist church when I got the bus this morning. There’s barely a break in static traffic during rush hour when we try to cross west green road in the last 10 days. Cyclists, mopeds & pedestrians weaving in between the crawling vehicles. It feels as though it won’t be long before the number of accidents increase, especially once the clocks change.

Does anyone know when the LTN on the other side of WGR starts?

The majority of cars are single occupied journeys. Why does everyone need to go by car? Buses would run much smoother without all these cars - this is point folks! I fully understand some people with certain trades need cars but so many are journeys of convenience and habit _ as someone local who has a car - I live just off Cornwall road - I will seek to change my behaviour when it comes to use of the car and this will be encouraged and accelerated by the LTN.

Even though my particular road has more traffic as a result of this, the bigger, longer term picture needs to remain…. And it may be a generation away but it must go in the right direction.

Looking at the pictures posted of black boy lane… I could match them with images of an empty road at 7.30 this morning.

Yes cars are necessary but they MUST be reduced….

I always find it intriguing reading these things where everyone and everything is to blame apart from all those people driving the cars that make up 95% of the traffic.

In reply to Don's point about Colina Road, the next three evenings should be very scary for residents around Harringay Road. The Council has blocked Colina Road for the builders of the new flats there. Traffic is diverted along the length of Harringay Road into Park Road to join Green Lanes. At this junction there are no traffic lights so once the volumes build up around 6pm it will gridlock Green Lanes. Photo attached.

Again this morning at 8am on West Green Road there was a long slow traffic jam from Green Lanes back to the Philip Lane junction at West Green. Buses all stuck, everyone late for school or work and more pollution for the locals. I can't decide if the St Anns LTN is a Greek tragedy or an Ealing comedy. Where are the voices of the councillors who represent the people now so badly affected by the scheme?

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I know many people who don't use the busses because they can be simply unpleasant. Often they have drunks and drug users on them, spitters, nose pickers, people who don't bathe regularly, aggressive people and others who are just antisocial inflicting their "music", swearing and rudeness on other passengers. I expect TFL would notice an upsurge in revenue if they reintroduced bus conductors. That increase might even offset the cost of having conductors on the most problematic routes.

I've not had too many problems on buses, personally. Although I agree that nose-picking is a habit that should be enjoyed only at home, if at all ☺

Dan — I think this is much too broad-brush and inaccurate a characterisation of bus users.  My experience over decades is that there are occasional antisocial people, but most are just ordinary travellers going from A to B. Late Friday and Saturday nights on the 29 can be unpleasant sometimes I grant you (or, at least, were before the pandemic — I haven’t been on one after 11pm for a while), but your description doesn’t describe rush-hour or daytime travellers very well. Do you use buses and have personal experience of the rude drug users you mention?

My assumption was that planners would want to avoid disrupting bus routes while also reducing the volume of traffic through a residential area. St Anns road, Salisbury road, Harringay road and Colina road are all residential streets (with schools, parks and new developments planned), why not make the area less trafficked entirely?

Sam — A large part of the problem is that the planners have done absolutely nothing to help bus travellers because they’re fixated on a “four wheels bad, two wheels good” mantra that assumes everyone can/will get on a bike instead. Cllr Hakata promised that “changes” to Green Lanes would be in place before the LTN began, but nothing has happened. Without bus lanes and/or removal of parking where needed, buses will continue to get jammed in excess traffic displaced from other residential streets. It shows up the complete lack of co-ordinated transport planning which plagues this whole project and is a real missed opportunity.

Nothing done to help address the increased risk to pedestrians trying to cross WGR & GL either.

Cllr Hakata promised that “changes” to Green Lanes would be in place before the LTN began

You've mentioned this a few times, do you have a link or anything to more detail, I'd be interested to see what changes this referred to? I never remember hearing anything like that during any of the consultations, etc (the suggestion seemed to be that they'd be implementing LTNs a batch at a time and Green Lanes would be within Harringay).

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