Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by Andrew on
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I love your reply. That said, neither of my teenage children seem at all interested in cars. My son failed his test twice and seems to have given up. My daughter couldn't be ar*ed to even try and get a test date. And my brother, who drives something very slow and boring, has just spent an inordinately large amount of money on a custom-made road bike (his 4th in as many years). Clearly the dream purchase of a MAMIL's last paypacket. He thinks it's very sexy...
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Cool. Maybe growing up in a place with reasonable-ish transport diminishes the dream. (I didn't, miles from all my schoolfriends, getting a scooter transformed my life.)
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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There's an interesting account of the Bounds Green LTN in the Haringey Community Press.
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An interesting read but not too surprising, the first month or two is going to be disruptive whilst people work out what is happening and sat navs update.
I think the council has done a very poor job in publicising the scheme, offline in particular. They really needed to ensure that everyone knew the scheme was coming, what it meant for them, put in place temporary signs making it clear what the restrictions were, say there would be disruption at the start, etc
As it is, if you don't follow Haringey or some of the councillors on Twitter or a few local websites like this then you'd barely have any advance notice if what was happening and what it meant.
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I'm in favour of the LTN and having less traffic and speeding. However, it is not local residents who are the main culprits. We are travelling to our homes and parking (which we pay for). I live pretty much bang in the middle of the new LTN so now have to drive much further to get to West Green Rd and will have to join the rest of the traffic on Green Lanes whenever I go north or return. More time and petrol will be used (we tend to use the car at weekends and if the kids are running late for school as they take the tube). The school street make sense as safety will improve too.
Signage has been awful and I'm sure at some point I will forget about the cameras and receive numerous £60/80 fines for driving to my house. Local residents should be given the exemptions as the first pilot then if this did not have an impact then remove exemption.
Will this change my behaviour? Well, once the trail 18 month period is over, I will go back to using the shortest and quickest route - TBH, with the cost of petrol and living, people are already changing their behaviour.
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we tend to use the car ... if the kids are running late for school as they take the tube
It probably isn't really what you want to hear but this is one of the things that the LTN is looking to cut out and part of the reason why resident exemptions are not being given.
It's so easy to hop in the car for a short journey when you're in a rush. When the Bruce Grove/West Green LTN comes in I know one journey I probably won't be doing that I've done in the past is driving to the post office depot which I have done in the past.
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CMWL — I don’t think anyone should see this “trial” as being anything other than a way of softening everyone up for the reality that the council will never back down. Their published plans show the whole borough carved up into a series of no-go cells, with the residents of a few major roads left to stew in the increased pollution and congestion that will be caused (as I said in another post, the equivalent of finding a motorway outside your door after years of piecemeal “improvements” to your road that suddenly all make sense when linked together).
The council have far too much PR invested in the policy concept to reverse it — and, besides, it didn’t cost them anything, as the GLA paid for it, so it yet again kicks the can down the road and gets them off the hook of having to do anything (and spend their own money) on sorting out the real problems of Green Lanes, for instance. I’m not sure what it would take to prevent the “trial” becoming permanent — perhaps more accidents (an outcome that would be appalling) on “boundary” roads, or a week of solid gridlock from the Arena to Wood Green, or a mass picket by GL residents about air quality — but nothing much else will shift the mindset. So I wouldn’t start planning to revert to using a short, quick route yet!
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Don
There are only 6 months from the start date of the 'trial' in which to lodge objections to it. Of course, there is little or no empirical data available to residents to use in any objection. That's a Council design feature, not a bug.
That there is no objective basis for the LTNs or the evaluation of their 'success' or 'failure' is really the only objection available.
Don't be fooled by the 18mth duration of the 'trial'.
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Chris — Thanks. I didn’t know about the six-month window. In fact, I don’t know what, if anything, has been set up for residents to give their views. I’ve written to Ann Cunningham (highways supremo) to ask precisely this and for her to supply details of the assessment methodology to be used, but so far only had a bland auto-reply from an apparatchik. Of course the council don’t want comments or scrutiny — too much PR invested in the whole scheme.
Is there a specific feedback mechanism you can share here, or does one just have to write to or e-mail the council with comments?
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It's a good question. I don't know. But they are clearly relying on the fact that most people also wont know.
These broad-brush LTNs are an ideological fix that don't hold up too well under scrutiny. Using an Experimental Traffic Order removes the need for prior scrutiny. Whereas a Permanent Order would have required debate and an opportunity to ask the awkward questions prior to its implementation. That process would have resulted in an array of alternatives being debated and interrogated. At the very least a clear and measurable set of objectives would have been able to be derived from the argument. We don't have these now. Instead we have Councillors in the press making unfounded claims about car use in the borough and disingenuous statements about the 'whole community' benefiting from LTNs.
I think we do need to reduce motor vehicle traffic. But I also think allowing a small group of politically active homeowners to cosplay Barbara and Tom Good at the expense of others is the antithesis of community.
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