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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

The council has launched an online feedback questionnaire/website for comments and reactions to the St Ann’s LTN to date. The survey window is from today until 10 March; it’s at: stannsltn.commonplace.is

There is a separate e-mail address for “formal objections” to the experimental traffic order (the LTN is, at least nominally, an experiment): traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk  The deadline for objections is 22 February; anyone doing so is required to set out the specific reasons for their objections, according to the council flyer put through my door.

Sadly, my own experience of corresponding with this e-mail address last autumn is that it results in an auto-response but no dialogue or actual reply, but the council may perhaps have improved on this now that they’re publicising it more widely.

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TFL were consulted prior to the implementation so I guess they must have given their input.

TfL and the emergency services are statutory consultees for all traffic schemes

I see the predictions of the anti-LTN "majority" letting their displeasure be known at the ballot box didn't happen.

I wonder if Tottenham Conservatives will stick with it now or maybe realise it isn't the vote winner they were hoping.

Interesting thread. I'm the other side of things in Noel Park.  We've definitely experience some traffic displacement as a result of the LTNs.  My road - Moselle Avenue - has become much busier at peak hours - morning, evenings and some times in weekends - due to the Green Lanes/Lordship Lane junction not being able to handle the volume of traffic.  There are now frequent tail backs on Lordship Lane - leading to much more 'rat running'.

Of course the ultimate problem is too many cars - but I also agree there seems dubious benefit in shunting traffic from one area to another.  'Traffic evaporation' is a nice idea - but I imagine when Haringey has predominently through traffic, and traffic down the A10 there's going to be an awful lot of displacement before people consider giving up their cars. 

If Haringey implements its long-term plan they the whole borough would be covered in LTNs.. but I would be interested in a timetable for that..

This is ultimately my issue with LTNs (having recently moved from Highbury where one was introduced two years ago). The premise of quieter, safer, streets within the LTN is obviously a great one, and hugely beneficial to residents (albeit I do still wonder why resident exemptions aren’t granted to avoid locals having to, occasionally, take enormously long detours to get out if their own area - unnecessarily adding to the boundary road traffic issues…)

That said, while locals may well be encouraged to use public transport and enable some ‘evaporation’ of traffic, this is far less likely to be the case for those travelling through the area (and indeed for those taking journeys where public transport doesn’t usefully service the route - there’s a whole separate debate to be had around PT being much more useful for ‘radial’ routes rather than east-west, and the implications of this for different types of workers etc… more on just one aspect of this here if anyone is interested:  https://wbg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Gender-inclusive-tran...)

Unfortunately, reporting on the impact of LTNs in other boroughs has been uneven, and while large-scale articles such as the one linked previously in the Guardian claiming an overall negligible effect on traffic on boundary roads may well be true, the reality is that some roads will be far worse affected than others, and the experiences of residents on some particular roads may well be significantly negative. A good example of this from Highbury is on page 2 of this report, where all the headlines look very positive but tucked away at the bottom is the fact that traffic on one particular boundary road (Blackstock Road - a road which is very much residential as well as having shops and cafes) increased by 58% during the monitoring period: https://www.islington.gov.uk/-/media/sharepoint-lists/public-record...

Personally I feel it is unarguable that LTNs do create - or perhaps exacerbate - inequality between those living within them and those on boundary roads in terms of traffic and pollution. That said, rat-running is (or was) also a problem, on other roads, and clearly any schemes that do seek to reduce pollution can only be a good thing. I’m not sure what the solutions are - though I’d certainly suggest the previously mentioned resident exemptions as being a very small part of reducing unnecessary extra traffic on boundary roads without increasing rat-running, and more to be done to encourage the use of electric vehicles by both residents and local contractors, to at least allow the traffic which will not ‘evaporate’ to be as low-pollution as possible.



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