Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Sainsbury's Harringay to be Replaced with Housing
Today more is emerging about the future of the Arena site. In March last year I took the time to comb through Haringey's 'Site Allocations Plan' (the document that determines what will get built where in the borough for the next 20 years).
I wrote about it in a series of posts, the first of which was entitled "Huge Swathes of Harringay Earmarked to 'Accommodate Majority of Development in Borough'". It's explained in more detail in my second post.
Following these posts there has been a consultation which some of us responded to.
This week, a local resident revealed that he'd painstakingly gone through a 1,500 page document in which the Council replied to residents' concerns raised in the consultation.
One of the issues that emerged is that the housing planned for the Arena is likely to see Sainsbury's demolished. That housing will be grouped around at least one 8-storey block.
Below is an extract from the LCSP minutes, showing residents' concerns raised in the left-hand column and the Council response in the right.
(It's interesting to note in the responses that after years of denial, the Council have finally admitted their last cock-up and said that it was the expansion of Sainsbury's that is a major contributor to the traffic problems on Green Lanes).
As I said repeatedly last year, there are huge changes planned for Harringay. I'd hoped the Council would work alongside residents, but the tenor of their replies suggests that they may be riding roughshod over our views after all.
| Opposition to 8 storey block on Arena site |
“Detailed design will be required on all sites to gain planning permission, and specific height limits will not be included in Site Allocations, with all developments expected to respond appropriately to their context “Action: remove height limits from the allocations” |
| Inadequate medical facilities for proposed population increase via Site Developments, especially the Arena site | “It is considered that this site, due to its size, if comprehensively redeveloped, may be an opportunity to create some new community infrastructure” |
| How will some 1400 new residents and a new primary frontage, all proposed for the Arena site, reduce traffic impact? |
The site will be designed in such a way that it will help to keep shopping traffic, local and accessed primarily by foot. Additionally, pedestrian access to the park, as well as to Manor House and Harringay Green Lanes station will be improved. Additionally, the reduced congestion from cars accessing the site for car-borne shopping trips will help to improve bus efficiency” |
Concern that Green Lanes cannot cope with more traffic and that Arena site proposals will make this even worse“ |
Disagree. Alleviation of current traffic issues is one of the key reasons for allocating this site. Initial transport modelling has shown that the supermarket is the single largest draw for car-borne traffic, which is then compounded by the other car-compatible uses on the retail park. By replacing these uses with more walk-up retail, congestion at this point can be alleviated” “The allocation includes provision for the superstore to no longer operate” |
A longer extract from the LCSP minutes is attached.
Now may be the time to rally round the GRA, WPRA and LCSP and find a way of getting residents' views heard.
Tags for Forum Posts: local plan, sainsbury's, site allocation plan
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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By bus (341 direct, assuming you're near Green Lanes) yes - if you're setting aside Wood Green. Camden Road (29 bus direct) is another possibility. The new one at Tottenham High Road/Northumberland Park is two buses. For a big big store like Harringay that does extras - e.g. clothing, cafe, photo processing, shoe repairs - there's Winchmore Hill (29/141, then 329).
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And to anticipate, I do prefer using Green Lanes shops where possible.
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Tottenham branch is usually deserted. Which is quite nice if you're doing your shopping (no queues) but always makes me wonder how viable it is. Tottenham does have a lot of extras e.g. clothes, cafe, shoe repairs as well by the way.
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1) Thank you for the info about extras.
2) Which maintains the longer-term question about the survival of the Harringay branch.
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Permalink Reply by Abi on
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Not sure if you're a non driver like me, but 6-8 heavy shopping bags on public transport with several changes = no, even when there are two of you. It's just about OK with one bus, but beyond that wouldn't be worth it. I'm not sure anyone really factors this into planning decisions any more.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I would politely suggest, you take on the continental European (big city) approach to shopping. Which is, buy daily, buy fresh. Not this North American idea of buy as much as is feesibly possible.. and then go on to throw half of it away.
Living within your means, doesn't only mean financially.
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i'm moving more towards that model tbh - the recent spate of local markets has helped a great deal in this respect.
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Permalink Reply by Junior Bennett on
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That's simply not feasible for some on a monthly budget - I spend £250 - £300 pm on shopping and pretty much eat every last bit of food each month. I eat a lot of frozen veg as my fresh stuff last s approx 10 days but it works out - I simply don't have time to be buying food everyday (seems unnecessary)
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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I don't think I spend that much. £36 a month for veg from Crop Drop, £18 a month for my Sole Share subscription. Probably about £20 per week on top up shopping. It's just me and sometimes my boyfriend I'm buying for though. If I'm buying alcohol, a bit more.
On Sundays I turn my leftover veg into soup and freeze to take to work for lunches. £2.40 for some sourdough from HLS that lasts all week, sorted.
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I live alone - I cant really afford to go out so I buy a lot of premium meats etc...main thing for me is that my budget runs out and i can only realistically spend money on food once a month - two weeks after i get paid im pretty broke. It would work out better for me if i figured out a way to shop weekly though.
Will check out That Crop Drop and Sole Share.
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I live alone but I don't eat meat (the fish from sole share is my luxury item). Pulses are cheap! I like that having vegetables to use up forces me to stay home and not eat out.
I'm saving up for a new kitchen so trying to save money while staying healthy.
I have to admit, yesterday's soups are a bit uninspiring... But I've made some great ones in the past. They're really good if I add a tin of chickpeas or butterbeans for protein. -
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