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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Today more is emerging about the future of the Arena site. In March last year I took the time to comb through Haringey's 'Site Allocations Plan' (the document that determines what will get built where in the borough for the next 20 years).

I wrote about it in a series of posts, the first of which was entitled "Huge Swathes of Harringay Earmarked to 'Accommodate Majority of Development in Borough'". It's explained in more detail in my second post.

Following these posts there has been a consultation which some of us responded to.

This week, a local resident revealed that he'd painstakingly gone through a 1,500 page document in which the Council replied to residents' concerns raised in the consultation.

One of the issues that emerged is that the housing planned for the Arena is likely to see Sainsbury's demolished. That housing will be grouped around at least one 8-storey block.

Below is an extract from the LCSP minutes, showing residents' concerns raised in the left-hand column and the Council response in the right.

(It's interesting to note in the responses that after years of denial, the Council have finally admitted their last cock-up and said that it was the expansion of Sainsbury's that is a major contributor to the traffic problems on Green Lanes).

As I said repeatedly last year, there are huge changes planned for Harringay. I'd hoped the Council would work alongside residents, but the tenor of their replies suggests that they may be riding roughshod over our views after all. 

Opposition to 8 storey block on Arena site

“Detailed design will be required on all sites to gain planning permission, and specific height limits will not be included in Site Allocations, with all developments expected to respond appropriately to their context

“Action: remove height limits from the allocations”

Inadequate medical facilities for proposed population increase via Site Developments, especially the Arena site

“It is considered that this site, due to its size, if comprehensively redeveloped, may be an opportunity to create some new community infrastructure”

How will some 1400 new residents and a new primary frontage, all proposed for the Arena site, reduce traffic impact?

The site will be designed in such a way that it will help to keep shopping traffic, local and accessed primarily by foot. Additionally, pedestrian access to the park, as well as to Manor House and Harringay Green Lanes station will be improved. Additionally, the reduced congestion from cars accessing the site for car-borne shopping trips will help to improve bus efficiency”

Concern that Green Lanes cannot cope with more traffic and that Arena site proposals will make this even worse“

Disagree. Alleviation of current traffic issues is one of the key reasons for allocating this site. Initial transport modelling has shown that the supermarket is the single largest draw for car-borne traffic, which is then compounded by the other car-compatible uses on the retail park. By replacing these uses with more walk-up retail, congestion at this point can be alleviated” “The allocation includes provision for the superstore to no longer operate”

A longer extract from the LCSP minutes is attached.

Now may be the time to rally round the GRA, WPRA and LCSP and find a way of getting residents' views heard.

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Welcome to West Tottenham.

When is this due to happen?

There's no planning permission yet. What the SAP does is to open a site up for a certain planning use.

In other words, not if but when.
It does sound like that, but there may still be space for residents' voices to be heard. We need to check.
This is madness. Everyone I know in Northeast London shops here. Even Stewart Lee and Bridget Christie shop here! It was name checked in 'A Bic for Her'. Seriously, this makes little sense as there aren't that many useful alternatives.

If you think about a possible Sainsbury's strategy, they have managed to get planning permission for a Sainsbury's in Hornsey and another in Tottenham. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some implicit or explicit trade-off was done, either above or below the table.

Possible. Let's hope not...

With a newish medium-size store at Stamford Hill (ex Safeway) plus the older similar sized one in Wood Green, and eight (!) Sainsbury Local stores within 2 km of Williamson Road, no wonder it may not be the apple of their eye for ever, despite the expansion only a couple of years ago.

The Millennium Dome-led redevelopment of the Greenwich Peninsula includes the Sainsburys ecostore opened in 1999, wind turbines, architecturally interesting, the lot. Guess what? They moved out in July 2015 to a new shed-type outlet half a mile away: the store and site has been sold to IKEA who will demolish it and put up another shed. Commerce mostly trumps history and design, in the long term.....

The Stamford Hill Sainsbury's is horrible, you'd never know it's a Sainsbury's. Really tired-looking veg and not much selection.

Consumer habits have shifted away from shopping at superstores. While I like the Harringay Sainsbury's I must admit I do must of my shopping elsewhere - Cropdrop veg, Soleshare fish and top-up shops at a mix of independent shops, Sainsbury's local or the larger Sainsbury's near my work. I don't have a car and access to the Harringay store is not very pedestrian friendly.

i love that Sainsbury's - there's a lot of stuff you can't get anywhere else in the area (particularly if like me you boycott Tesco still) esp recycled / organic stuff (i know we've the 'new' shops)

Another Tesco boycotter here. I think I'd go 100% online if that place went - the Stamford Hill one's tiny. Even if I did drive, I'm not sure where the next nearest big store would be. Angel? 

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