Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Really P****d Off
I hope all you who have the vote in Harringay will remember tonight ( and certainly other nights to come ) and at the next election vote out the incompetent shower responsible for the introduction of the LTN.
My weekly 5-minute journey from Wightman Road to Green Lanes took 45 minutes, including 30 minutes to go the length of Hampden Road. Yes, I know that there was a burst water main. But in happier times traffic would have been distributed across the roads now blocked off and not confined to Green Lanes. Yes, I know that I could have taken a bus to sit in the same traffic jam as I did this evening but in any case there aren't any buses between my house and the bottom of Effingham Road.
I understand the concerns of those residents living in the LTN who hope that the pollution in their streets will be reduced but don't the residents of Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane and Wightman Road breathe ? don't their children have lungs ?. Where did the Council think the LTN traffic would go ?
And please don't suggest to this disabled person that I could have cycled. I couldn't.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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John, it’s because blindly following a SatNav rather than taking notice of the No HGV signs at the bottom of my street that causes it to be blocked on regular basis.
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Permalink Reply by Rory on
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Green Lanes, of course, is wide enough for four lanes and could happily carry far more traffic for most of its length through Haringey. The congestion occurs where it thins to single lanes to make parking available outside the shops and restaurants, something fiercely and uncompromisingly protected by the cabal of local traders. Like so many commentators on this thread, they are uninterested in the avalanche of evidence that making an area more appealing to cyclists and walkers increases footfall and trade. They are certain that the one or two parking spaces available outside their storefront is responsible for the majority of their turnover. Somehow.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Rory, A question and a few general thoughts in response to your interesting post.
● What would you rather have instead? Two bus/bike lanes, perhaps?
● In much of Haringey borough - not just Green Lanes - we have two lanes of our roads reserved for vehicle parking. (Some homes have the alternative of frontage parking spaces with pavement crossovers.)
● Your suspicion about a "cabal of local traders" may be taking things a little too far. I'm not a trader.
● Nor am I a member of any organised cabal-like group that tries to support our local businesses. (Although l used to be a member of the Labour Party in former years before members were banned from Freedom of Speech.)
● Nor am I a car owner or driver.
● I'm an East Tottenham resident who likes meeting friends in good, reasonably priced, convivial Haringey restaurants. (Though not if they're so crammed and noisy that it's impossible to hear our friends talking.)
● For places not within walking distance, I appreciate a lift and a walkable parking space. Especially in rainy weather and on cold dark winter nights.
● Getting older and my worsening eyesight has altered my views on a lot of these questions. So has helping to look after grandchildren and re-learning from them.
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Well that's a lot to break down! Personally, I would have a bike/bus lane on either side. A lot of the rush hour congestion is caused by buses pulling out into the middle lane and joining all those cars, alongside cars parking and pulling out into traffic. Further north up Green Lanes where there is a bus lane and no parking there is virtually no/very little congestion. You may not agree with me, but many residents, myself included, think the GL traders have an unrepresentative and undemocratic sway over the council and their policies. I'm not sure why you feel I have put you specifically into their ranks, unless you own a business on GL and lobby the council on their behalf. As a non-car owner I would imagine that you successfully manage to reach these businesses. Maybe you can share this expertise with so many residents who seem to find this an impossible task. Generally, everyone needs to figure that out, considering the climate crisis and legacy of carbon emissions. Reserving the first, say, three parking spaces at the ends of the roads that meet Green Lanes also doesn't sound too controversial. When Wightman was closed, the Ladder residents realised just how many parking spaces were taken up by non-residents, as the streets virtually emptied of parked cars. I am a member of the Labour Party and to my knowledge, no-one has banned my free speech, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that the Labour Party has banned yours. What a shame. So many of these threads seem to be people furiously aghast that they might have to use their cars less when everyone knows that we all have to use our cars less.
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Do the traders in GL make donations to the Labour Party? Do they have family or similar ties to members of the Lanour Party? That might explain the undemocratic influence they have long been observed to weild. Anyone remember the public money they were given to do up their shops several years ago?
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Turkish lobby has a certain control over Haringey council. One of the powerful lobbies that get away with murder in Haringey. Look at planning control and infringements - lack of enforcement, etc.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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FPR, that rumour, and others like it, have been doing the rounds since before this site began, with ne’er a shred of evidence to support them. I’ve no idea why people seem to thrill at repeating them. The closest reality comes to them is the Kurdish Workers Party collecting funds from traders.
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Well some people have been linked to Green Lanes and the drug trade own the past which is probably where the rumours started https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/16/drugsandalcohol.drugstrade
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Kurdish Workers Party better known as the PKK. It is a proscribed terrorist organisation and illegal in the UK, US and other countries. However, you'll see PKK flags and paraphernalia stuck on poles around Green Lanes and proudly displayed during the periodic marches through our streets. Incidentally those marches stall traffic and cause congestion across North London. Perhaps they could be relocated to a park somewhere as part of Haringey Council's joined up strategy to reduce congestion and pollution.
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A few weeks ago a house three doors down from me was raided by the Police. It was a drugs factory. I can assure readers that drug making is not the industry of choice on Warham Road
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Yes, Livi, rumours.
I'm well aware of the historic heroin connection to Harringay.I wrote up the story of this earlier in the year, on the 20 year anniversary of the well-known events.
I can't say what happened in the last century, but as far as I've been able to find out (and I have done more than ask the occasional casual question), all the stories of protection rackets and money-laundering in this century are just tittle-tattle.
Your links which are either over 10 years old or relate to other areas, do nothing to dispel the idea that the stories you are seeking to sustain, for whatever reason, are based on nothing more than gossip.
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