Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Really P****d Off
I hope all you who have the vote in Harringay will remember tonight ( and certainly other nights to come ) and at the next election vote out the incompetent shower responsible for the introduction of the LTN.
My weekly 5-minute journey from Wightman Road to Green Lanes took 45 minutes, including 30 minutes to go the length of Hampden Road. Yes, I know that there was a burst water main. But in happier times traffic would have been distributed across the roads now blocked off and not confined to Green Lanes. Yes, I know that I could have taken a bus to sit in the same traffic jam as I did this evening but in any case there aren't any buses between my house and the bottom of Effingham Road.
I understand the concerns of those residents living in the LTN who hope that the pollution in their streets will be reduced but don't the residents of Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane and Wightman Road breathe ? don't their children have lungs ?. Where did the Council think the LTN traffic would go ?
And please don't suggest to this disabled person that I could have cycled. I couldn't.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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It was a fair service until deregulation in the 80s. From then multiple companies would run on the most lucrative routes. It was not uncommon to get 3 different companies running the same route and arriving in tandem, each one trying to undercut the other’s fares. Eventually many went bust and the services not going in and out of city centres, those where there wasn’t much money to be made, never really recovered and those that did were infrequent and ended at 6pm.
Some companies have joined the Nexus conglomerate where a pass is accepted by a number of operators while others have declined to cooperate meaning you sometime need multiple tickets to get to your destination depending which company runs the routes.
The Metro is very Newcastle and Tyneside centred. The bit that goes to Sunderland shares a line with trains from Hartlepool to Newcastle which restricts how often it runs. There have been plans for a couple of decades to run it along the route of a colliery line out towards Washington, though this has never materialised.
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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Exactly why LTNs are necessary…to get these drivers specifically, and more, out of their cars, to walk or use public transport.
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This is a good point. Getting people onto public transport, riding pushbikes or walking requires an element of culture change. However, I haven't seen any discussion about why many people prefer to use or are compelled to use cars and why the alternatives don't always appeal or work for them. It's not just because they are lazy or don't care about the environment.
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I moved to the Ladder in 1986 and was there a while - traffic was a problem then. There was never any point getting a bus to or from Manor House for eg. as you could walk faster.
I also don't see why anyone would try and use the Ladder to avoid traffic - even doing a wiggle down Ladder roads to Duckett's Common to avoid the Turnpike Lane crossroads going East hardly saves any time. Where are all the cars supposed to be going?
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Elzabeth — Isn’t the very point you make the reason people use the Ladder and Wightman? GL is a nightmare, especially at rush hours (often at weekends, too), so anyone driving between Manor House and the N Circular (or points in between) wants to find any available route around the jams. Buses get slowed and become very unreliable because of the congestion, so public transport isn’t seen as a viable alternative. Haringey need to realse that the railway line and its only two crossing points funnel traffic onto GL, but their only solution to date seems to have been to tacitly promote Wightman as the GL bypass, including re-configuring its junction at Turnpike Lane to give better access to/easier avoidance of the Wood Green chicane on GL. The side roads problem stems from GL being far too narrow for traffic flow it wasn’t designed to carry, while the Ladder geography compounds it by intoducing constant interruptions from traffic turning in or out, so vehicles are always spilling out from GL. But closing the side roads just increases the pressure, because there are then no safety valves and everything clogs up. A comprehensive GL plan to reduce long-distance through traffic at source, plus parking reduction and bus prioritisation, would go a long way to making GL a functional high street serving Harringay residents and giving them access in and out of the area for other things they might want to do (such as getting on a bus to go to work).
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except you save 1 or 2 mins max and have to do far more right and left turns. People in traffic need to be less impatient. They are the cause of their own woes.
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You do have the issue of people blindly following sat navs though. If you don't know the route that well then if it sends you up that sidestreet then you'll probably follow it.
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On my street it may well come to this one day!
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