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Public Meeting - Harringay Traffic Management: 25th March

Following last year's regeneration of Harringay Town Centre, last night, along with other members of the LCSP traffic sub-group, I attended a meeting with Haringey Council's new traffic supremo (Member for the Environment, Cllr Stuart McNamara). Cllr McNamara agreed to review traffic management across all areas of Harringay (and yes that's Harringay, not Haringey). 

There is a public meeting to kick off the process and discuss traffic congestion, rat running and high traffic flow in local roads. All are invited to attend. Details are below:

Cyprus Kitchen on Wednesday 25 March from 6:30pm to 7:30pm

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Permalink Reply by ant on March 24, 2015 at 10:29
Hi Michael, but should that worry be enough to prevent considering any other smaller changes in the meantime though?
Banning parking on Green Lanes is _also_ a local solution. It would mainly help the southern Ladder rung roads but wouldn't do much for the norther end of the Ladder, and the north gets vastly more traffic than the south of the Ladder.

Also, on its own i'm not sure how much impact a parking ban on Green Lanes would actually have to through traffic on the Ladder rung roads. Can you or anyone describe in more detail how it might help? The through traffic is going to/from the corners of the Ladder and St Anns. If Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane, and Endymion where completely cleared maybe some of the through traffic might start using just those roads, but its a pretty unrealistic aspiration and a significant portion of that through traffic is likely to still go via rung roads anyway, isn't it? 

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on March 24, 2015 at 16:20
I honestly don't know that's why I think the data from prototyping is a good way to get the knowledge on impacts is vital. BTW. If you want to see heavy traffic on the southern end of the ladder, have a stroll along Warham Road!
Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on March 24, 2015 at 17:13

But if we ban parking on Green Lanes all the shops and restaurant will close down as no-one will be able to get there.

Permalink Reply by John D on March 24, 2015 at 17:47

Something wrong with walking ?

Or a bus, even ?

Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on March 24, 2015 at 18:58

Given the suggestion was to get rid of the bus lane to make more car parking spaces as part of the regeneration of Green Lanes, clearly buses aren't the traders' association transport mode of choice.

Permalink Reply by Abi on March 24, 2015 at 19:36
Apparently so.

Getting rid of the bus lanes would amount to getting rid of buses. It takes forever to get along GL by bus even with the lanes.
Permalink Reply by Gordon T on March 24, 2015 at 19:50

LanE, Abster. No northbound bus lane in the Ladder strip!

Permalink Reply by gbee on March 25, 2015 at 12:29

Hi All. Just to mention Fairfax now gets more traffic than any other Ladder Road According to Council counts. (2000 a day). My own ad hoc  rush hour "survey" of Monday 23rd  March AM shows an increase of nearly 40% from the same time in 2012 ( when I was considering buying the house I now live in).

Any solution  which is sought needs to be fair and encompass the effect on all Ladder roads,  Wightman ( BTW it's a B. Road) and Turnpike  Lane. The proposed(?) plans to reconfigure the Green Lanes  Junction at Ducketts Common should I believe be put on hold, as one of the options for sharing traffic flow with the  Gardens would impact on this (proposed?) scheme. Businesses of course have their own priorities but not all are against Residents. Enough on that subject!  Just an aside .  See you later. .

Permalink Reply by ant on March 24, 2015 at 10:46

As much as it may not have been a serious suggestion that may not be such a bad idea. And along with that reverse Pemberton too.

Then there would be at the north the block of west bound roads - Lausanne, Frobisher, Falkland, Fairfax and Effingham. And at the south a block of west bound roads - Seymour, Warham, Pemberton and Mattison.

That would split the traffic in that very local area more evenly over multiple roads which would reduce the burden of each street, and it would reduce the traffic right by the north and south harringay schools and by Fairland Park.

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on March 24, 2015 at 17:26

Ant, we already have westbound traffic on Warham and it's a nightmare. Like I said, I don't think piecemeal solutions are the answer here, it has to be something that treats the entire area

Permalink Reply by ant on March 24, 2015 at 17:34

Last time counted Waham was 'only' the fifth busiest Ladder rung, with the top four all in the north.

Other than the blocking off Wightman (which it doesn't seem like the council or TfL will consider) there isn't a single fix that helps the entire area. Maybe there could be a package of smaller individual changes rather than one at a time, but rulling anything else out as piecemeal just means no changes will ever get done. 

Permalink Reply by Penguin on March 24, 2015 at 9:32

I would really like to know what they think of Ali Ozbeks mission to get through traffic back into the Gardens from St Anns road by removal of the bollards? Is this going ahead?

It is extremely worrying.

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