Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
One of last historic Harringay shop fronts disappearing soon
Chatting to one of the waiters in Hala restaurant the other night, I learned that the Gokyuzu restaurant is planning to expand into the long unoccupied Fords shop next door. One more historic shop front bites the dust:
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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There just doesnt seem to be much control at all here about what you do with a shop front or other buildings anymore. No attempt to encourage new owners to make changes that at least fit in a bit. Its a free for all. the 41 bus route is particularly depressing in more ways than one.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Try getting the train from the airport into the centre of Rome. Yuck.
I do have a theory that how visually attractive your environment is contributes to your longevity but this theory is obviously not shared by the council.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Dont let Haringey Council hear you, they'll knock it all down and get Graingers to build a lovely new High Street with *NEW* !!! spaces for JD Sports and a branch of Walmart.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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and what do we do when they ignore the planning regulations and start changing the shop front? That'll happen, and it's not like the council will be all over them or give them a hefty fine, is it? Just look at HMOs are handled and it's clear that people can pretty much do what they like as long as they're cheeky enough about it. Once it's gone it's gone.
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Permalink Reply by monica on
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It's a real shame, perhaps the new owners retaining the sign somehow would be a good option. Hope they are happy to retain some of the local heritage.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I just got the 341 back from Ikea (don't) and was really impressed by a row of shop fronts on Tottenham High Road where they were all the same size and with similar type faces and harmonious colours. I seem to remember Haringey giving grants to improve shop fronts some time ago. Maybe an idea for Green Lanes councillors?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I brought this post to the attention of Cllr Karen Alexander & Cllr Nigun Canver as representatives of the two main parties. I hope they'll come and comment.
I've just reminded them both about this post. I'm sure they've been busy.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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I think that they were probably part of these projects in conjuction with English Heritage and the Heritage Lottery fund. I tried to get some interest in Grand Parade but we are not a conservation area and so we do not get a look in when it comes to funding or even interest in conservation.
This is why I have a problem with the whole idea of the conservation area, anything that falls outside them is not considered to have value but this is of course based on subjective views of 'experts'.
Tottenham's need is great, I believe, but Green Lanes and Grand Parade also have similar value - sadly we fall between the red lines around the conservation areas. See my diatribes here for more on conservation areas
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You are quite right Liz about the old fashioned views of experts about what conservation areas are but for some time now, there have been shifts and changes with more local involvement to decide what should be kept and how. Nothing is intrisically 'heritage' or not- its all about predominant values including those of the experts. More modern views include anything from council estates to a local pub. I would push for including working mens clubs (but I would, wouldnt I). Its odd that in the 21st century and in a borough like our, the old fashioned views seem to rule and the community is left out of any decision making.
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I wouldn't entirely blame Haringey Council, they are probably just working on the places they know they can get the money for. English Heritage who manage a lot of conservation work are also slow to catch up with the more modern thinking about heritage, although the signs are encouraging that they are getting there. They do list places like council estates but not for their social value or because of local historical value, usually because they were designed by famous architects and/or represent an example of an architectural style, the latest being brutalism, so it is aesthetic values that are paramount. Ford's shop front may be representative of an earlier era and therefore have enormous value to local history but to the people who dole out the money, it would be unremarkable and therefore not worth saving. The best hope would be to involve the new owners to retain the front but it may be difficult to persuade them if it is cheaper to just rip it out.
A good start for a regeneration project would be to persuade someone that 1-13 Grand Parade, including the Salisbury, would be suitable for a project because of the presence of a listed building and what that first row of shops represents in terms of local history i.e. style, architect, purpose of building it, late - Victorian era
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Permalink Reply by Karen Alexander on
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I've been following this thread with some interest and agree with a lot of what is being said. I think it is certainly something that could be addressed at the Green Lanes Strategy Group and I will ask that it is on the agenda. The improvement grants from the council is interesting - I will find out more and report back.
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