I saw that the seemingly defunct Dogtas outlet is being gutted so I took a wonder inside to see what is happening. It is a shell, but I noticed these below on the wall, clearly something that will end up being covered up again.
An interesting view of what it may have looked like a hundred years ago.
Oops, my typo. Just checked Kelly’s again and it is Gunner as you say. The listing for the bit of Green Lanes (Kimberly Gardens to Salisbury Road) is as follows
22 - Pritchard Restaurant
21 - Fleming Reid and Co scotch wools
20 - Freeman, Hardy and Willis
18 &19 - L Cooper costumiers
17 - Wheelers provisions
16 - Judah Davis fishmonger
14 & 15 - Robert Gunner cheesmonger
13 - John Knight pawnbroker
The alphabetical commercial directory part of the Kelly’s has
Gunner, Robert, cheesemonger, 14 &15 Grand Parade, Green Lanes, HP (Harringay Park?)
So he’d expanded into 14 by 1935. Given the published reference I found to Gunner in the court of butchers at 15 grand parade, and the possibility that the stores weren’t knocked through, I wonder if he ran three consecutive stores each selling a different part of his range. He definitely started life as a provisions store and was certainly working in meats. Maybe 14 was the cheese department? I’ll see if I can come up with anything more conclusive.
But what a rich retail texture your list shows, eh.
The shop listings for Green Lanes are phenomenal. You really could get everything from a pound of nails to a made to measure suit.
I’m thinking that cheesemonger might be a fairly broad term and be more like a delicatessen is now. For instance in the northeast we had places called pork butchers that sold cooked meats and pies.
No Kebabs then?
Those tiles remind me of the old Sainbury's shops from my early childhood.
Interesting to have that definition of Groceries and Provisions - thanks.
I wonder if the Scotch Wool Shop had moved to Wood Green by the 1960s, there were 3 or 4 wool shops between Turnpike Lane and Wood Green. Nice advert for the Drapers too!
Twice i have wrote the full SP on Ernest & Robert Gunner being a hobby meat trade historian & lost it,
So in short they joined West Layton Ltd to become West Gunner Ltd.
Sold in the mid 80,s to Vesteys Dewhurst for £1.1 million = 110 shops.
Dewhurst went in 1995.
Ask me for more detail if this works,
Just spoke to my mum the egg shop was where yasha halim is, she thinks it's now the middle shop.
Yasar Halim now have 491 - 497. They took over Ray's Newsagents at 491 back in 2009.
I suspect the so-called 'egg-shop' traded at 495.
I can find no trace of any shop trading under the name Egg Store or Egg Shop or anything simillar. Although there was one in both Stoke Newington & Tottenham.
Ask your mum if it was Malcolm and Alice Newman's shop at 495. Malcolm was Henry and Jeanie's boy.
Could this be the "Egg Shop" that people have mentioned over the years?
I was chatting with another long-term Harringayite today and they too remember an egg shop opposite Woolworths (now Iceland). So I'm beginning to think there were maybe two egg shops I suspect that the Iceland one was Newman's.
Thanks for all the digging you’ve done here, chaps... what a centre of commerce Green Lanes once was!