Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
HGVs - Enforcement of the weight limit on Wightman and ladder roads
I have again asked for some enforcement action by the council against HGVs using Wightman Road and the ladder roads.
I am pleased to say that I have just had an email from the Parking Infrastructure Manager to say that they will be carrying out some enforcement this week between 7am and 8.30am.
Lets hope it starts to send a message to the companies that they lorries belong to.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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They CAN use Wightman Rd (the road they are on) for access so they HAVE TO. It's inconvenient but then so is paying for your groceries.
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Permalink Reply by Burgoyne Bec on
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I have just reported the lack of a sign at the top of Burgoyne Road to the Council. I suggest that others do so too - you can do it very easily on http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/contact/report-it.htm
On the A-Z it is under the heading "road signs"
And this is the standard reply you'll get -
Thank you for reporting a Highways Defective Unlit Sign problem in Burgoyne Road, N4 Finsbury Park via Haringey's Website
Additional information reported:
+ Date and time originally reported: 15/03/2013 13:35:43.
+ Location: Burgoyne Road, N4 Finsbury Park
Further location details:
Link to map (copy and paste into browser): http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=531471&y=188253.
+ Nature of defect: Defective Unlit Sign.
We will inspect the problem within two working days and decide how urgently it needs to be fixed.
We will contact you again by email with the result of our inspection. If our contractor needs to carry out remedial works, we will let you know when the works have been completed to our satisfaction.
+ We aim to repair all street lights that are not working within three working days of a fault being reported but this may take longer if it is an electrical supply fault.
+ We will make emergency hazards on roads and pavements safe within two hours.
+ We will repair potholes, problems with roads, pavements and street furniture within twenty eight working days.
+ If the problem is considered to be dangerous, we will repair it within one working day.
If you need to contact us about the problem you have reported, our Single Frontline Technical Support Team will be pleased to help. Telephone: 020 8489 1335 or email: frontline@haringey.gov.uk quoting reference number: CONFIRM 81018. HC-170972
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Permalink Reply by dbh1954 on
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Maybe we should start sending our photos and gripes directly to Jewsons social media pages.
twitter.com/Jewson
facebook.com/jewsonuk?fref=ts
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That's a really good idea..... we could genrate some bad publicity for them !
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Here we go. Post your pics & gripes here twitter.com/StopShakingOurHomes
Remember to add @haringeycouncil and @jewson if applicable
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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You may not have noticed, but NONE of the West to East ( Wightman towards Green Lanes ) roads have a weight restriction sign. The East to West roads, on the other hand, ALL have weight restriction signs.
This is because Green Lanes does not have a restriction, whereas Wightman itself does. Therefore the signs at the Green Lanes ends of the rungs stop vehicles > 7.5T legally on Green Lanes from turning on to the Ladder rungs but, as there shouldn't be any > 7.5T on Wightman, there is no need for signs to stop vehicles turning on to the West to East rungs.
I believe the W>E signs were removed as an urban declutter when Wightman became restricted to 20mph and 7.5T.
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Permalink Reply by Dick Harris on
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Dear fellow sufferers,
It is good that Malcolm B supplied a copy of the relevant traffic order, which is dated 23 January 1992.
I am not a lawyer although I do have some experience of reading legal documents. If I were employed by Jewson I would certainly argue that the order, as it stands, does not prohibit any vehicle from using any street in the ladder or Wightman Road for the purpose of loading or unloading at Jewson's own premises.
If the drafter had intended to say that vehicles over 7.5 tons may use only Wightman Road (rather than any of the other scheduled streets) to reach Jewson's yard, then I think different phrasing would have been needed.
That having been said, it might perhaps be sensible to review the order itself and its whole context. In the first place, when the order was made, there were no humps so far as I know. Certainly there were none in Wightman Road. In the second place, the Order is entitled "The Haringey (Prescribed Route) (No. 2) Experimental Traffic Order 1992" so we might reasonably expect an assessment of whether the experiment has been successful and whether any changes are now needed. Tightening up the text must be an option. Removing the humps from streets often used legally by heavy vehicles might be wise.
I have, over the years, found Jewson quite a handy supplier, although their Harringay yard is certainly not indispensable. They have another location on the industrial site off Tottenham Lane, N8 and Wickes is close by in Seven Sisters Road. As Jewson is one of only two or three businesses in the ladder that need heavy vehicles to trundle past residential properties, one might think it is time to press for its closure. The others are at the railway end of Hampden Road and don't seem to generate traffic south of there.
On the other hand, I am sure that Jewson's management would prefer to get their drivers to behave better than to see extremely inconvenient restrictions placed on their use of local streets.
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Couldn't agree more with your suggestions that Jewsons should get its drivers to behave better. The issue is that their drivers don't behave well, and drive very quickly up and down the ladder streets, often with heavy loads. It is the very fact that they have been so inconsiderate that has caused us to complain, time and time again.
As to the suggestion to get hold of Jewson - I have done with varying success. The manager didn't want to hear any complaints to begin with, and it wasn't until I complained on Facebook that a PR person got in touch with me. He was however very quickly put in his box by the company, and they haven't been in touch with me since.
I don't agree with your interpretation of the Order. It is, at best, ambiguous, although clearly it would strain its reading to interpret the order as allowing Jewson to use any of the ladder roads (all 20 or so of them) to access a site based on Wightman Road. I would certainly argue that giving it its ordinary meaning, and thinking about the way 'except for access' is used elsewhere in the UK, Jewsons can only lawfully use Wightman Road to get to and from their site.
I would also be very interested to find out if the weight restriction relates to the fact that there are several bridges over the New River and these surely can't bear large weights over time. I really hope that it won't take a collapsing bridge (or a few houses foundations being undermined) to convince the council that they need to rethink their forbearance to Jewson.
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Permalink Reply by OneWomanAndHerDog on
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Let's not forget this it isn't just Jewsons. The Old Ale Emporium gets regular deliveries of beer and gas, both lorries come down Burgoyne (and park in the pay and display bay that has a no lorries sign) rather than park and unload on Green Lanes 10 meters away....
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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And Yasha Halim has plenty of trucks up and down Pemberton making deliveries, as does the Infants School (kitchen expecially). Do not get me wrong, not all of them are inconsiderate (most are fine, and part of the price for living in such a vibrant commerical area), but some have little or no regard for the community they are ploughing through.
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Permalink Reply by phippsofacto on
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Indeed. I have no issue with trucks going up the road at 10mph, but at 20 it is another issue. As my clip showed, the Jewson's driver was giving it loads more welly than the smaller van behind.
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The Yasar lorries are 7490kg....
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