Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey is "open for business" says council
Haringey's recent Invest: Haringey event at Tottenham Hotspur’s White Hart Lane stadium presented 29 sites for development in Haringey to business leaders.
A range of sites throughout the borough were highlighted, providing developers with information on the scale of development opportunity, planning status and transport links.
Sir Bob Kerslake, Head of the Civil Service and Permanent Secretary of the DCLG, said he was "struck by the scale of opportunity" in Haringey.
Below is a map of the sites identified (click to view larger) and attached are the specs presented to the event
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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If you wannit, here it is. Come and geddit! But you better hurry cos it's goin fast.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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So Wards Corner (and ApexHouse) offer development opportunities? How can this be, as Grainger believes it has already stitched up the opportunity there? Are LBH expecting Grainger will lose at the Judicial Review of their monstrous plan? If there's still an opportunity, then will the Community Plan expect a favourable response?
I'm also concerned at the overlap of Development Opportunities and Tottenham Marshes.
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It is a truth universally acknowledged, Pam, that a business leader in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a local council with development opportunities.
So in preparation for my expected win of the Eurodosh Rollover Squillions next week, I was looking closely at this plan. I hoped to see something on the W3 bus route, preferably not far from the Muswell Hill homes of my esteemed colleagues Cllrs Kober and Goldberg. I had in mind tearing down a swathe of frankly outmoded and redundant Edwardian homes; to be replaced by student housing blocks and luxury apartment towers. But puzzlingly, I couldn't spot any suitable little red squares on the plan in the right locations.
I may have found a partial explanation. In her blog Citizen Barnet Vicki Morris suggests that: "Barnet Council have divided the borough up into 3 areas: those areas, such as Totteridge, that are already so nice that they have only to be preserved; those, such as Finchley, that are not bad but which if they were enhanced could be nice; and places such as Colindale which are not sufficiently nice for anything except to soak up all the newcomers expected into the borough. The fate of places such as Colindale is simply to 'grow'."
Obviously this doesn't quite fit the the Haringey pattern. because we still have spaces over in the east - Tottenham Marshes, the River Lee, the reservoirs, which have hardly begun to be properly exploited. And many Victorian and a few Georgian buildings which planning experts tell us need "a better balance of housing". Which is a polite way of saying a better balance of people.
Such a wearisome trial for a Progress Council - having poor and unemployed people living here. "Wouldn't it be simpler if the Government simply dissolved the People and elected another?" Which of course, is what "Regeneration" is now about.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Has anyone else noticed that the further east you go in the borough, the more opportunities there seem to be. Wonder whether this is anything to do with the fact that the borough gets poorer as you go east, and the poor are less likely to be able to mount opposition to being made a "development opportunity". Whereas all the poshies in the west are left alone.
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Well, Christopher, that's more or less Vicki Morris' explanation of Barnet's policy. It's also Professor David Harvey's analysis of what's happening in a number of large cities.
My fear with the Northumberland Park (North Tottenham) "regeneration" plans is that the planners will push through Arup's "Masterplan" and set a legal framework for part of the Kober's "Plan for Tottenham". (Itself no more than a property developers' glossy brochure.)
As happened with the so-called "Hale Village" this could pre-empt any future challenges through the planning process. Allowing developers to build as high as they want - and in North Tottenham knocking down some homes as well. When local people realise the implications it'll be too late to object. (Remember the Vogon Constructor Fleet?)
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Good point, Alan. I hope you're wrong about Northumberland Park, but am afraid you are right. As for "Hale Village", it seems to me a completely lost cause. Everything going up there is pretty mediocre, if not downright ugly, and I don't see it ever being any kind of "community" or "village". And, yes, I do remember the old Vogons! Actually met Douglas Adams once, really nice guy. Sadly missed.
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My favourite bit, Christopher:
"There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now."
I hope even now, there's some way to enable the residents of the affected estates - Love Lane for a start - to have timely and full information. And to get independent external advice, if they wish. Otherwise the process becomes a sales pitch on behalf of Spurs.
As for Hale Village, I have to say that while the wall of stumps along Watermead Way is as grim as ever, some of the areas inside have been improved.
But as you'll see from the Council's degeneration map, the biggest disaster is likely to be at Hale Wharf. British Waterways - as was - previously wanted huge ziggurats towering over the marshes and reservoirs.
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Permalink Reply by kitt on
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the real challenge here is getting meaningful engagement with communities. i don't think you can separate this from free education and investment in youth opportunities. real engagement takes years to build up and entails giving people empowerment over their lives, not just a box to tick about what kind of shops they want. it can't be done in blocks of 2 or 5 years at a time.
the council has a difficult job to do in haringey but faith in their ability to meet these challenges is at a really low ebb. they seem to be more focused on PR tricks, external consultants and corporate development than really getting to grips with building up a rapport with the dispossessed. they want to tidy people away in shiny blocks that nobody can afford.
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Permalink Reply by Seema Chandwani on
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^^ This!! I agree!!!
However, if one sees Tottenham as a philanthropy mission than a democratic mandate... Im afraid engagement with communities will not be on the agenda - or at least not sincerely anyway.
The people of Tottenham are seen as people who have "No Social Capital", we are seen as people in need of intervention to help us become like the 'first world' !! #RollsEyes
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Years ago I did some work with Peter Beresford and Suzy Croft - who are well known for their bottom-up research. Peter was fascinated by the history of the First World War and he'd sometimes use examples to illustrate the differences in viewpoint from the soldiers on the ground or in the trenches; and the generals "back at the chateau".
I agree, Seema, that there's very much a colonial aspect to how Tottenham is perceived and the actions taken. If anyone knows for example, Robert Chambers' work in Development Studies, it's pretty easy to see the parallels.
To be fair a lot of this intervention from "regeneration experts" and colonial politicians does at least appear to be well-intentioned. Sometimes it will even be a slightly helpful. But - just as in Third World nations - we also have lots of people enthusiastically pursuing their own self-interests. This will range from greedy external companies looking to exploit poor areas, to local organisations seizing the chance to get their hands on "aid" resources.
Another issue is that many attempts to start dialogues quickly deteriorate into shouting matches. With different power groups competing to force their own interpretations on the situation.
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