Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Feedback on St Ann's LTN
I see some pros as well as the obvious cons but felt this feedback was telling.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, traffic
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Permalink Reply by LadyDianaSpencer on
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Yup. This.
I think this is the tweak needed. The tech is there in place to do it.
Slight increase in traffic in the LTN, decrease in traffic on the main roads.
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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This amendment would also accord with the ostensible purpose of the LTNs — to prevent “through traffic”, directed by satnav, using “local” roads. Council pre-publicity emphasised the evils of Waze, etc, and waxed lyrical about how LTNs would counter this transit through the borough, but in practice it looks like merely an excuse for a scheme aimed just as much at pushing Haringey residents onto pavements or into cycle lanes whilst making buses even slower and less convenient.
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The aim was also to encourage residents to use alternative methods of transport for short journeys.
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Not sure that's true at all as can be seen by the disappearance of masses of traffic over every half term and school holidays. All those people doing essential things all day every day all get all of the half terms and holidays off as leave? I very much doubt it.
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Exactly - suddenly all those things that genuinely need to happen only in a car get abandoned as the traffic reduces all day not just at drop off and pick up. Suggests to me that it's not true that all the driving during school terms is genuinely something that has to be done in a car.
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Permalink Reply by Neil Le Milliere on
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This is the biggest problem with the LTNs, they force residents who have valid reasons for using their cars to use inefficient and damaging routes around the borough. I completely accept that sideroads should not be "rat runs" for all and sundry but surely residents who have CPZ permits for that area or the borough shouldn't be affected as well.
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Bowes park LTNs were featured on ITV London news tonight. Business owners not at all happy about the LTN affecting their businesses on Myddleton Rd. Hakata was interviewed defending it, coming out with all sorts of BS. I was surprised to learn that Haringey have earned over a million pounds in fines in the past 4 months. And it's not about money?
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Correction. £2million in fines in the past 4 months according to the ITV local news tonight. Mike Hakkatta's view that all businesses are suffering in the borough due to the financial crisis is no excuse. So he's more than happy to make it worse? I love Myddleton Roads eclectic range of independent shops. I don't want it turning into a ghost street with every shop boarded up. Shame on you Hakkatta.
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Travel to bits of the Borough without the LTNs (ideally by foot or bus or cycle) and you'll see plenty of evidence of what the cost of living crisis is doing to small independent shops with places closing down all over the place.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Indeed. I was visiting my home town of Sunderland a little while ago (where car is king) and something like 1 in 3 shops on Fawcett Street, the main high street, were empty.
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It's interesting that the bit of extra traffic that everyone on here was absolutely furious about a short time ago already seems to have calmed down to pretty much pre-LTN levels. Maybe, just maybe, people were a little hasty. And yes, please don't confuse correlation with causality. We've had COVID followed by a cost of living crisis and narrowly avoided a recession, with Brexit in the background doing its thing. That's what's impacted local businesses. Please don't assume that the loudest shouters represent a majority. Most residents in the area support the LTN for less traffic and cleaner air. Democracy isn't and shouldn't be acquiescing to the loudest, angriest voices.
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Yep. This is spot on.
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