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Ending of Haringey Daily Visitor Permits to increase daily visitor parking charge by 164%

A parking review consultation run quietly at the start of the year seems to have been so little publicised that it attracted just 42 responses (augmented with another 58 garnered by phone).

The change it included that residents may feel most keenly is the abolition of daily visitor permits.

Currently Haringey's website gives the following prices for visitor permits:

Standard daily visitor permits are £5 and hourly are £1.20. 

The "Parking Strategy and Policy/Charges Review, Appendix D: Updated parking permit policy / charges" shares the expectation that residents will henceforth be expected to make up a day's parking permit with hourly permits. For the Ladder where the CPZ runs from 08:00 to 18:30, this will require eleven hourly permits to make up a full day. If the hourly charge remains at £1.20, this will mean a total daily cost of £13.20, an increase of a mere 164%. The cutting below is extracted from that Appendix.

It's not clear to me why hourly permits should be less open to abuse than daily ones, but I'm all ears.  If the primary motivation for this change was indeed to counter permit abuse, one would have thought it a fairly easy matter to protect residents from the affects of standing up to the abuse by simply putting a cap on daily charges like London Transport do. As far as I can make out, this hasn't happened.

At section 4.1 of the background papers (attached below), the Council has gone to the trouble of benchmarking the cost of daily business visitor permits. That's helpful. They looked at Camden, Islington, Ealing, Greenwich and Waltham Forest.

For some reason, no benchmarking was done on the cost of daily resident visitor parking costs. I've done my best to fill that gap. I've used the same boroughs and added Hackney since that was a missing neighbouring borough.

The current cost for a visitor to park in CPZ of those six boroughs for a day are as follows.

Camden: £8.79

Islington: £7.20 - £8.00 (on my calculationat £0.90 and £1.00 per hour)) discounted to £2.80 for 60+

Greenwich: Tradesmen £18.50 per week, and £9 per 10 vouchers (no information on time period validity)

Waltham Forest: £8.00 (at £1.00 per hour)

Hackney: £5.30.......................

...................vs Haringey: £13.20

....unless of course I'm misunderstanding Haringey's policy - only too happy to be set straight. 

As part of the review, an Equality Impact Assessment (EIA) was run. As a part of that assessment, equality as it relates to socio-economic status was considered. In the case of the daily parking permits, the situation roughly divides the east of the borough, with all its indicators of deprivation, from the much wealthier west. In the west, two-hour CPZ predominate: in the east >8 hour zones are the rule. The shift from daily to hourly permits will barely affect the west of the borough, whereas it will have a significant impact on the east. The only outcomes noted under the socio-economic section of the EIA are "Positive", "Positive" and ... er ... "Positive". The unequal nature of the daily parking charge was not even considered. So the EIA as it relates to socio-economic status is badly flawed.

The change was part of a wider Parking strategy review that was passed by the Council last week. The recommendations of the review were adopted without dissent (see minute 48:30 of meeting on YouTube).

This change is unlikely to affect me personally but I fear that it may have an impact on some who are not is a strong position to absorb the increased charges. 

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Not only approved, but also expanded upon and made worse. 

The public is able to submit feedback on this proposal to traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk or, it is unclear to me whether this is the public consultation we have been promised. I am trying to clarify.

Before I send my email, are you planning on putting together a template email Caitlin?

Thanks again for been on top of this again (and the effort you've been putting into this).

Note: there is a council meeting scheduled for Monday, 18th November, 2024 7.30 pm, I assume this would be a good issue to raise for that meeting given the absolute ridiculous of the current proposals. I could see restricting daily permits to 40 (allowing for some special kinda of permit for longer term work been somewhat reasonable, but the current proposals seem completely out of touch).

Hi Rich,

Yes, i'll look to draft somthing later this evening or tomorrow!

I will also look into raising a question at the full council meeting on November 18th - it would be great if we can get a group of cross-borough atendees to be there in support.

Sounds good, I assume you can just turn up to the meeting?

Details are here:

Tottenham Town Hall

Monday, 18th November, 2024 7.30 pm, Full Council

https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/mgMeetingAttendance.aspx?ID=10854

Yes i believe you. You can also request to voice a shared concern, or submit a petition - I suggest we explore both.

Sounds good to me (I added the date/location etc for other folks reading the thread :) )

oops i meant 'I believe you can!" - the challenges of trying to balance this and my day job ;)

What a ludicrous proposal. I suspect someone put in a limit of 40 permits without realising they were taking away daily permits and it was going to apply to hourly permits.

Only two at once is ridiculous. Having a family gathering could easily be more, and tradespeople could be 3 vans. This could easily lead to a trading system between neighbours when people want family over for Christmas.  

Imagine a funeral. In Wood Green Central, you can have two visitors for a wake. And 7 hours left of visitor-hours allowed for the rest of the year.

*12 hours

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