Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Cycling along Green Lanes
There is growing impatience and frustration about the Council’s lack of action on improving cycling and pedestrian safety on Green Lanes.* This mounting concern was covered in a recent piece in the Ham and High (see link below) about this and the growing discontent from cyclist about the safety of cycling along Green Lanes – either as a commuter, or just travelling to the local shops and services.
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25393803.cycling-campaigner-wants-pr...
As Trump would say…. “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
*and elsewhere across the borough. All the cycle routes from surrounding boroughs stop abruptly at the Haringey border!
Cycling along Green Lanes has been described as 'hairy' (Image: Carla Francome) (Image: Carla Francome)
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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Grand Paris is pretty comparable with Greater London.
But ultimately the point should be that shifting people out of cars and onto bikes should also improve traffic for the remaining few who really need motor vehicles.
Whenever schemes are suggested some people are up in arms about how not everyone can walk, cycle or take public transport with the implication that they are the only ones who are in the motor vehicles.
That isn't the reality though, you only have to look at the big uptick in cars on the road when school holidays end to realise that there are plenty of people in cars who really don't need to be.
Also, electric bikes have further democratised cycling, fitness is much less of a barrier now, but fear of getting splatted with poor (or often non-existent) infrastructure is still a big barrier.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Williams on
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Paris does differ from London in many ways (generally denser, for example), however, you are mistaken to think it's much smaller. Parisians define "the city" much more narrowly than Londoners do. It's like me saying London ends at Zone 2 and pretending the rest of the population doesn't exist. The metropolitan area is over 10million, and it has a great number of visitors.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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ONE of the key characteristics of a small minority of car owners is a lack of honesty. For example, the (disgraceful) Tottenham Conservatives claimed that, the reason for the closure of the big Edmonton IKEA store was due to the LTNs and ULEZ. That was untrue. But due to heavy car-addiction, some car-owners will say anything no matter how preposterous.
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Great points. The whole borough is in desperate need and is long overdue the delivery of strategic cycling routes. It's so strange to accuse those who move around by bike as being 'entitled'. It's a prejudice that gets repeated over and over. To move around a city on a bike is clean, cheap, empowering, healthy - it's good for the economy - it's a good thing to do and should be applauded not despised or vilified. It's a humble not an entitled thing to do. The actual real harm on the road comes from motorised vehicles - we know that. So calling people 'entitled' is gaslighting people who are merely asking for fair positive and doable interventions (commonplace in the rest of Europe). They are merely asking for the council to put human safety above parking spots directly outside shops (with so many side roads providing parking space). Is it entitled to not want to die or have a broken bone or lose a limb? It's why so many here are asking what is the root cause of the inertia in Haringey. Don't we want to be the greenest borough? 'Supporting greener choices' is Call to Action no 6 I do believe. And reducing road deaths and injuries (towards zero) is a GLA requirement of all councils.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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The problem of Green Lanes is perfectly illustrated by the photograph used in the original post. A perfectly good cycle/bus lane, rather than allowing a faster bus journey and safer cycle ride, is being used as a car park.
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I'm in agreement with you and others on this feed.
Removing all the parking 24/7 along Green Lanes between the Arena and Ducketts Common would allow for free moving combined bus/cycle/taxi lanes north and south to encourage active and public transport use.
It may also discourage people from outside the area from driving to Green Lanes, adding to congestion, and encourage them to catch public transport instead.
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"It may also discourage people from outside the area from driving to Green Lanes, adding to congestion, and encourage them to catch public transport instead. "
Green Lanes like Seven Sisters Road like Turnpike Lane like any A road is major transport highway for business, school children, workers,carers,mother's with push chairs, shoppers and work people mending and building stuff in the Ladder and Garden roads including St Anne's. You can't take your tools of the trade on public transport unless you are only carrying a small tool box! What about materials? Deliveries... Arranging transport for the elderly who can't get on a bus safely..and the disabled.... Not everyone can ride a bike or even those that could just don't want to! Not everyone can do the Norman Tebbit calling .."On your bike"!!! It's ridiculous to promote this as the only way forward.
The whole point about Green Lanes is that it's a shopping centre...it's a restaurant area...a very successful one too...it's always going to attract drivers given the parking regs there. The business lobby is all powerful. However it's also a major TFL artery for inner London housing and services so there will always be a need for through travel ways.
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Perhaps you misunderstood but I'm not advocating removing the non-bus lane traffic lanes. There would still be the north and south bound lanes for normal traffic, as there is now, so all those people you mention can still use the road just as they do now.
It is a major north-south artery and always will be, but this section is one of the most congested points.
There could also be out-of-peak time loading bays for shops, but some have access from the rear and this should probably be used instead for deliveries where possible. There is also "shoppers parking" in the adjoining Ladder and Garden roads. For work people, there's the visitor permits from the residents they are working for...
I'm not saying this is a solution, but a suggestion and my support for betterment for all.
As a mother with a school kids that walk up Green Lanes every day, and a shopper, a worker, a cyclist and a bus user, I would love Green Lanes to be less congested and polluted than it is as I travel up and down it. As a prior car driver I would do my best to avoid it as it was always too congested. So I'd say in it's current state, I don't think it works in a great way for anyone.
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Agree. However traders believe the current state works for them. And within the council Majority Group, their views have always overruled any other consideration. Local Authority Transport policy & practice sits deep in the pocket of local businesses.
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Permalink Reply by Pugface on
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There is a perfect opportunity to put some of these major issues and concerns directly to Cllr Hakata (Lead Member for Climate Action, Environment, and Transport) this Saturday. He is joining the Big Secret Safari Ride from Tottenham Flower and Produce Festival and has agreed to take questions at the end of the ride.
There is more information on the ride at the HoL Event page. The ride starts at 11am from the Hub Cafe in Lordship Rec. Please come and join the community ride and visit the Tottenham Flower and Produce Festival.
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- 15 months later, no work was started
- In the "marble" block, the superfluous material remains untouched
- 15 months after the Public Relations effort, there is no sign of a sculptor or any chisel
- With the #CurrentCrew at Borough of Culture 2027, there is no reason to expect any change to be delivered in the next eight months, at least.
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