Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Can Anyone Explain this Council Logic?
In a round-robin about new parking charges that hit my inbox today, Haringey Council wrote the following:
Visitors parking permits will be simplified and no longer be subject to a limited allocation
This is to ensure we are taking a fair approach when it comes to everyone who wants to park in our borough and to encourage people to use other forms of transport if possible.
As I read it they're saying that they're going to make visitor parking permits easier to get "to encourage people to use other forms of transport". So, making it easier to use a car will encourage people not to use a car.
Is there some good logic there that is eluding me or is it the nonsense I think it is?
ADDENDUM:
The discussion that follows from this post has revealed that visitor parking charges will more than double and residents will no longer be able to exchange unused permits.
Read about the proposals on Haringey's website here.
You can make an objection by email to traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk
You can see a Freedom of Information request submitted on this issue here
Tags for Forum Posts: parking, parking permits, visitor parking permits
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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Read this and look at the huge development site where, according to reports I have heard of, all of 3 people turned out for the MDF last night!
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"...where residents opted quite reasonably for a two hour restriction..."
NO residents opted for the extreme restrictions impose d on the BGN CPZ. These were IMPOSED by....Haringey coucnil and the consulattion was sham. We held a meeting and the council proceeded as usual without consideration of any mitigating measures suggested by residents.
Inept and deaf!
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Tty again - working okay for me (BTW, to link to a particular comment, click the little chain sign at the top of the comment then copy the url in your browser bar).
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The link in the first post just points at here. not the web address. I think the correct link should be http://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/roads-and-stree...
I received an email on it on the 14th Feb, 12 days after the proposal for some reason.
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Thanks. That helps. The link in the initial forum post doesn't work for me.
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You're right; the link in the original post had stopped working. That's now fixed. Thanks for pointing it out.
My last answer responded to your comment above about the link on page 3 not working. That was and still is working.
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What they don't seem to have taken into account here is if visitor permits expire people will buy them more often and in smaller amounts which is just going to negate any profits from expired permits by having to process many times more orders.
I'll probably go from buying a batch every eighteen months or so to a small batch every few months. It makes no difference to me as there is no admin charge (and no proposal for one in the new order).
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Hugh. I got a notice about this at 21:06 on Friday 16th Feb, giving me a whopping 4 days to respond. I note it is not a 'consultation', which implies this is a done deal, unless our councilors can use their influence:
Zena- Zena.Brabazon@haringey.gov.uk
Gina- gina.adamou@haringey.gov.uk
Emine- Emine.Ibrahim@haringey.gov.uk
Oh, I believe there is an election in May!
This smacks of a revenue raising exercise, and I therefore question the legality if the parking budget is not meant to be a revenue raising route to the council....
More than that, if they are looking at change, why not be more brave and (as others have mentioned) look at bringing this into the 21st century an looking at a more efficient electronic system?
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Permalink Reply by Olly on
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Looking at this set of agenda documents for the Environment and Community Safety Scrutiny Committee of Dec 2017, page 23 (labeled as page 19 on the document itself) shows a projected revenue increase of £225k over the next 2 years (from £125k to £350k) for the "Rationalisation of Parking Visitor Permits ".
Despite their desire to encourage less vehicle use, they clearly have no confidence that that will happen if they are forecasting an increase in revenue. Odd.
I also noticed on page 40 (labeled page 36) that there is no mention in the proposal of the new permits having a short life and not being exchable or refundable anymore.
Further digging into council minutes shows this set of draft minutes to the Cabinet Member Signing committee of July 2017 stating that it was agreed to proceed to statutory consultation. I'm not too clued up on the workings of council bureaucracy, but like Justin I assume this is not a statutory consultation?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Oh come now, if they actually priced them in a way that would discourage motor vehicle ownership (£100pcm) there would be a riot. They're just skimming to cover their ageing population's Freedom Passes.
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