Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Campaign against Wightman Road closure
Spotted in a local shop window..
Tags for Forum Posts: harringay traffic study, traffic
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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It's pretty low.. Here is a nice interactive map created from
The map uses information from the 2011 Census and the Office for National Statistics [1]
It's seems going to Haringay's neighbors to the north is where car ownership shoots upwards
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Isn't that as much to do with the maze of railway lines, waterways etc in this area? There are so many physical barriers already.
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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Does car ownership numbers take in multiple occupancy residences? I went for a run this morning and most houses had a car outside a house on the Ladder road I ran up and also along the section of Wightman I ran along. These cars can't all belong to commuters or shoppers as it was 7am on a Saturday.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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The census figures are for households. So a house divided into,say, two flats would be two households
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Some of us have elderly parents to deal with that aren't on TfL's radar.
If Kahn could persuade businesses to move outside the capital then I'd be happy to go.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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We live in London.
True.
Traffic through London is a massive problem for us all.
False. The road closures around the ladder have turned the traffic problem for others around.
We would all ideally like our roads to be traffic free.
This is conjecture and if it includes me it's false. I would like residential roads to be free of HGV traffic and rat running. I would like the traffic across the ladder to be distributed evenly so that there were no longer conversations about which street has the worst traffic and which street the best. Sadly the only way to do that is filtering Wightman Rd which would close it as a through route.
Closing one main through route doesn't reduce traffic or lower pollution, it simply moves the problem elsewhere.
This is not true. Traffic evaporates when road capacity is reduced and increases when it is increased. During the closure last summer at least 8% of traffic disappeared.
It causes traffic jams which produce way more emissions than moving traffic,
The key there is "traffic jams", I think the solution is to stop driving everywhere as you ARE the traffic when you do that. If closing Wightman Rd is so wrong, let's open the thing right up to help the traffic flow even better!
endangers pedestrians,
False, the speed reductions improve the safety of pedestrians.
clogs up junctions, etc for everyone else.
Everyone else? You mean "the traffic"? See above what I said about traffic.
With the Wood Green redevelopment bringing a potential additional 7000 homes this is absolute lunacy.
Where are our children going to live? Hertfordshire?
I for one would happily sign a petition against the closure.
Yeah, I bet you would.
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Permalink Reply by Julia Richards-Davies on
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Our children may indeed have to live in Hertfordshire. They won't be able to travel anywhere as it will all be gridlocked, it's too dangerous to cycle, and with only one new primary school and no new secondary school planned for the 7k new homes they'll need to go there to go to school anyway. Or even better, let's home educate them as we will all be stuck in our homes unable to get anywhere anyway.
And snidey comments are not helpful. Yes, I would sign against it because it is my belief that it is counterproductive.
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Snidey? You don't think that "I for one would happily sign a petition against the closure" wasn't a little nasty on "Harringay"Online?
It's dangerous because of all the traffic, no? Well...
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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"The filtering/closure of Wightman is an issue that excites great passions locally. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and debate is welcome. "
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it's too dangerous to cycle
I have an innovative solution to this. We could filter roads to prevent rat running but allow cycling so we had safer cycle routes. Similarly we could introduce measures that cause the number of vehicles to decrease, maybe slow the traffic down too.
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That was how Wightman Road was set up last summer. It was great.
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John and Joe W: However it's spun, the "filtering" proposal is in fact road closure. During the bridge works, Wightman was closed to traffic and a series of cul-de-sacs was created in the Ladder roads, forcing traffic onto Green Lanes instead, with disastrous results. For all the average statistics on bus times posted here, those of us who experienced the problems well remember that journey times between Manor House and the Salisbury increased at peak times (ie when most people travel) by at least 15 minutes and traffic was solid along the whole stretch of road.
"Traffic" is not just private cars - there are thousands of commercial vehicles, service vehicles, buses, taxis, emergency vehicles and useful vehicles such as dustcarts that use and share London's roads as well as private cars. If you ever shop (in Green Lanes or elsewhere), the produce you buy has arrived by vehicle; your rubbish and recycling are taken away by vehicle; many people (perhaps other than you if you’re cyclists) travel to and from work and social events by bus.
Closing Wightman puts huge extra pressure on an already-overcrowded road that's a main artery used by all of us and which already struggles to cope at most times of the day; we know this from last year.
It has never been a good argument that just because other areas of Harringay have already banished traffic (Hermitage and the Gardens) then it's in some way unfair for the Ladder not to have the same thing. An 8% diminution in traffic is a tiny counter to the severe inconvenience caused to numerous people across the whole of Harringay (which is not just Harringay ward, though you'd never know it from much of the comment on HoL).
John, you say that HGVs are the main problem and have championed chicanes as the fair and reasonable solution, so let's see Living Wightman get behind this rather than the closure proposal that would spread misery across the whole area.
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