Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Advice please re yellow box junction fine
I have received a penalty notice for box apparently stopping in yellow box junction in green lanes N15. Its the junction near Haringey sainsburys home base etc. On viewing the images I note that the two pictures show an over all time line of two seconds . It is unclear whether I was stationary or moving amongst the traffic in front and behind my own vehicle. Does any one know whether appeals can be submitted on this basis.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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You mean the junction on Green Lanes in Harringay N4 at the junction with Williamson Road?
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Permalink Reply by Jay on
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yes that is the junction I mean. The penalty notice refers to the contravention occurring Green lanes N15.Would this inaccuracy also in validate the notice.?
I will Google as suggested. Many Thanks for replying.
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I'm not sure if an inaccurate address invalidates the PCN, but you can bet your bottom dollar that someone on one of those websites will!
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...if you Google "Yellow Box Junction fine", you'll find heaps of websites purporting to tell you how to appeal. You'll have to sort the wheat from the chaff. The first example I came across was about a successful appeal locally - not Harringay, but Haringey anyway.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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I seem to remember Alan Stanton having a yellow box campaign Hugh some time back- not sure how to find the threads, but he had some advice about the yellow boxes not actually being legal. I seem to remember that he said something about the box not going all the way to the curb- and this image seems to have a large gap between the box and the curb on the bottom left hand corner. Worth looking at, as I seem to think Alan indicated many of Haringey's yellow boxes were in fact illegal.
Also, a better argument (if correct) is that a 2 second time lapse is not really credible evidence of being stationary. Is it fair to assume you were coming out of Sainsbury and turning right to go up GL? Or, were you going left into Sainsbury coming from Finsbury?
If you were going North, I think it fair to say that the traffic crawls out of (Williamson??) Road, and I have had instances where I can see a clear exit route (I seem to remember this is the issue with a box junction- do not enter unless your exit is clear), ie there is room on the carriageway beyond the box junction but a car or two ahead of you has had to slow or stop because pedestrians have crossed on a red man at the crossing forcing the whole chain of vehicles behind to slow or halt temporarily while the pedestrian removes themselves from the road... I would argue this is not stopping, but doing what you are legally obliged to do and give way to the pedestrian.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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I've got a lot of superb help from the entirely free Fightback Forum - you can see chapter and verse on each case they've helped on, with photos etc and they often reply within moments of a request for help, being kind to 'newbies'.
I'm pretty sure the people helping for free are actually workers in the system, the responses I've gotten have proven 100% accurate. I'm really grateful to them for helping me.
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