Tags for Forum Posts: dumping, rubbish, veolia, waste collection, waste collection charges
Tris, if you look at the list of people at the top of this thread, who put themselves forward, only ThaiDi and Osbawn volunteered to do any non-Ladder roads. If people want to do the same for areas like the Gardens for example I think that would be excellent.
Personally I'm delighted when other people wade in and take photos and send in reports of streets, parks, alleys and little corners that I report from time to time.
The more the merrier. My local favourite was someone called "Rubbish Rider" who for a while posted and sent Haringey videos taken from his bike. (I assume he had a gorillapod.)
Of course squeaky wheels shouldn't be the only ones which get the grease - as the old saying goes. But given the stripping away of staff in both Haringey Council and Veolia, it's essential that some citizen involvement - co-production - takes place. And I can quite understand people starting with their own streets.
One huge potential of social media is in collective citizen engagement. If it can help identify the places and causes of dumping I'd hope we will all welcome this work done; and try to add value by building on it. Including by multiplying and widening the "citizen research" groups.
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Here's a totally different but perhaps thought-provoking example of volunteers using the net to work together at a distance to share work on a task. I don't know how many HoL members have come across Michelle vonAhn who lived in Tottenham for many years and now lives in Devon. I invite people to read and reflect on this article - which you may already have seen - by Amelia Gentleman in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/grenfell-fire-volun....
Did you give this link a go?
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/rubbish-and-recycl...
If you know who's dumping this stuff. Osbawn, can I please suggest that you at least have an informal chat with someone in Haringey's Enforcement team to see what may be possible.
I'm years out of date, but I recall a couple of cases where a temporary video camera did the trick. Both cameras were installed in overlooking windows. One recorded shots of a trader who was regularly dumping food waste by a wall to save money on his commercial waste contract. He got a taking to, and stopped.
The other camera seems to have been spotted by the people responsible as the dumping ceased - but without revealing who had been doing it.
I'm not a fan of having cameras everywhere. But I think that very selective temporary oversight of "hotspots" has a place in a prevention strategy.
I posted some pictures after I said I wasn't on the ladder but was told I was still welcome to post. Actually I consider my road (Conway Road) to be in Harringay - although I think there are some border disputes.
In good news the mattress in my street that I reported on Monday evening was gone by yesterday.
Julie, you're definitely in Harringay according to Hugh's mapping and discussion - see here.
Great letter to Cllr Ahmet.
Sorry I wasn't around to help on the 9th.
Will be interested in her response. There is no doubt that Harringay has become filthier and filthier over the last couple of months, there is often litter and debris on Wightman Road and that is supposed to be cleaned every day (though I doubt it is).
Its an embarrassment to have visitor when the area looks such a mess.
Thanks for the letter Michael.
I agree with everything you have said. I don't think the charges will work as people who don't have money, cars or other resources will be pushed further into using what Alan Stanton described years ago, when he was on the council, as the third system -i.e dumping. When dumping happens they have to come and take it away which of course is costly in financial terms - and adds to our very poor reputation.
It is true that the Council is squeezed fro cash - but it is also true that we have choices as a Council about how we allocate the resources we have. It can't go unnoticed that we have invested so heavily in these huge futuristic regeneration plans where Haringey will be cleaner, brighter, and have oodles of tower blocks. All that futurology costs vast amounts of money. For me, regeneration starts at the most local level - sorting out the environment, enforcement, rogue landlords, civic pride, community involvement.
Apparently this is old hat compared to the developer led and developer embraced concepts where all the streets are perfect, the sun shines all the time and no one has any social problems or worries. And where decisions are taken on yachts in Cannes.
I am certainly up for a meeting with everyone and with Peray.
Zena
Zena Brabazon
Councillor, Harringay Ward
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