Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
'NO' to Ending free bulky waste collections and closing the recycling centre
Haringey's current budget proposals will see the end of free bulky and green waste collections and the closure of one of the recycling centres.
These changes are likely to spell real trouble in this borough. It will inevitably lead to a significant increase in dumping with the poorest areas being hardest hit.
Research has shown that introducing a charge can lead to a drop in demand for collections of 50-75% on previous levels. Fly-tipping will increase as a result.
An alternative approach to introducing a collection charge would be to limit or reduce the number of items accepted for free, and/or the number of free collections allowed per year.
An alternative to closing the recycling centre would be to control who uses the centre and make a small charge as appropriate.
The cabinet meets to decide on this issue in two weeks' time. Whilst the consultation is now closed you can still email the cabinet member responsible (peray.ahmet@haringey.gov.uk) and copy your councillor.
Budget proposals: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/local-democracy/policies-and-strategies/...
Survey (CLOSED 22 JAN): http://www.haringey.gov.uk/survey/budget-2017-18
Tags for Forum Posts: rubbish, waste collection, waste collection charges
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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That is not a debate trhat is being held at a national level. The Brexit debate is taking over the resources of the state and this will only get worse with time.
A national political debate needs to be held on how resources are allocated. The way taxes are being collected and then allocated/spent is not being discussed. How can councils in London that have such high property prices and high levels of economic activity not be in a position to pay for basic, and essential in some cases, civic services? The debate is not taking place and no one is raising this. It is sickening!
Organising my own pesonal Brexit
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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The biggest driver for the reduction of council services is the massive cuts in funding from central government. Spending by UK councils this year will be 22% lower than in 2010. In the worst hit, that's more like 33%.
But of course there are ways to mitigate that locally. In my view it doesn't help that council tax hasn't been raised for five years, but of course.
Council taxes are fairer than charging at the point of use. Whereas in the final analysis council tax is somewhat progressive, the charges for services such as waste collection that fill the gap are 100% regressive.
However, doing anything with taxation locally under the current arrangements isn't a complete solution. Councils are still reliant on central government for about 60% of their funding.
The Government is currently planning to phase out the support grant by 2020 leaving Councils more reliant on local taxes.
So, currently there's already something the local council can do beyond finger pointing. For better or for worse, by 2020 they should have even more control.
The question for us all is what will best serve us to influence how that control is exercised. Given the degree to which power is centralised in Haringey, I'm persuaded to consider the merits of a directly elected mayor. Having to face the electorate personally every four years may well sharpen minds and allow voters more influence in a centralised system.
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You are dealing details. That directly elected mayor will not have power over how resources are obtained. There is a limit to how much local taxes can be raised in a borough like Haringey.
I suppose that that is also why the local Cabal is so hellbent on the social cleasing so that the social budget can also be reduced in the longer term.
But I do not see any real national debate or proposals coming from any of the political parties taht addrees these issues. No wonder some people are fed up and voted for Brexit.
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I'm dealing with how 100% of our local spending will be financed and how we can influence it. Mere details, if you like.
PR isn't going to happen for many years to come. A directly elected mayor is a possibility today. Is it the ideal solution? No probably not, but it's a real possibility rather than an item on a wish list.
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I understand.
I am just venting my frustration and as I am saying more regularly, preparing my brexit from this place in the next few years. I have lost my patience.
Such a rich country but the distribution of wealth sucks. Having to fight just to get refuse collected and propoerly paved sidewalks is what I left behind in the 'developing coutry' of my father's birth.
Sigh.
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Permalink Reply by Ian on
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we are just tinkering around the edges with looking at solutions once the curve ball has been thrown over the fence and left for the 99% to catch. A total change of political direction is needed otherwise its just a slow pot boiling with us frogs in it.
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There is no big overnight painless solution to fundamentally changing to a more socially equitable society. The biggest problem preventing change is the very people 99% within the country. We are fed the diet of blue and red , conservative and labour and during the last election I heard both Cameron and milibank separately stated that we all know only 1 of 2 parties are going to win and a vote for anything else is just a waste of vote. We are in practise only one party away from a communist state. When a man like corbyn stands up and say no trident, the establishment and many of the people 99% are fearful and he is ridiculed as nice man but not a leader. When someone wants to curb globalisations with nationalistic policies they are again ridiculed and called protectionist and branded bad or dumb. When the people 99% speak up for what they want, in opposition to the political elite and big business a label of popularism is given and propagated by the media. If the people is not educated or really want radical change or too fearful of change then we continue to slowly boil like frogs in a pot tinkering around the edges always saying better the devil you know and we need to adhere to existing rules of acceptance.
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And in the meantime, I'm afraid, we are stuck with "tinkering around the edges".
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Are you sure that the Council footed the bill? The trucks are Veolia trucks. Would livery costs not be down to them not the Council?
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And now the Council will have the additional expense of answering your nonsense FOI request...that's great logic...or do you think Council staff time costs nothing?
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