Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Street sleepers
Has this problem got out of control? Is there anything the council can do?
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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People have rights already....but there is no recourse for people that make themselves intentionally homeless....in the case of the couple under the bridge they were provided with temporary housing then on their 2nd night threw a huge drugs party and were thrown out the next day.... that kind of behaviour doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy in my view
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Permalink Reply by JJ on
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Who told you that? Did they say that's what happened? Again though, you're blaming homeless people for being homeless. And what rights do you think homeless people have? I'd be interested to know
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That information came from the horse''s mouth... I was waiting to meet a friend off the overground and heard them laughing and joking about what a great party it was...worth spending a night in jail over...and on the establishments proprietor''s injuries they inflicted that "f*** him he should known we'd be partying" and that he had it coming...genuinely lovely people.....as for rights...Google the legislation for yourself;
The Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977
Part 7 of the Housing Act 1996
Homelessness Act 2002 -
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You've assessed their homelessness status and their morality from half an overheard conversation? And based on that have determined if they are deserving of help?
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And on my direct conversations with them and the Council, yes... all along you've assumed that my views aren't based on fact but that's not the case... and I do think assault is immoral... I'm old fashioned like that
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Clearly these people need to do something positive with their lives. Why can't they join HOL and spend their days moaning about Harringay, using metaphor and methadone like the rest of us?
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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One question. Is it right or fair to extrapolate from the reported behaviour of some people, the motivations of everyone else and would you do that in other circumstances?
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I haven't extrapolated at all. I have referred only to these specific individuals.
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My whole point is that it is not for us to cast moral aspersions against anyone, be they homeless, renters, owner occupiers whoever, who cares? We all reside in Harringay, we need not be down on others.
Why would you want to speak to the council about your neighbours? Particularly if they are clearly in distress. We live in London, live and let live. they don;t bother you, why would you want to make life difficult for them? Leave them alone.
If your only gripe is them shooting up, then on the scale of badness it's right down there at the bottom end of criminality, why do you care so much? i agree it aint great, id rather me and my kids didn;t have to witness that on our way to the supermarket, but still. It's mild stuff.
There's so much to be cross and angry about at the moment. why bother and waste your energies about some poor homeless people? rage against the machine, not the people. It's about structures and policies not blaming individuals
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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We recently met a friend from the northeast U.S. who told us about the increase in imprisonment of poorer white people for drug offences. The traditional jobs in their areas have shrunk - often exported abroad. A small number replaced by expansion of jobs in private prisons.
And isn't there also a pattern that in an economic downturn the overall numbers of homeless people increases? Jobs are lost. That's the expectation of forecasters including Mark Carney. In any real life game of musical chairs the weaker and unlucky lose out.
This was something observed in a documentary film from 1989 which I've mentioned before. The person who made the film was Don McCullin who started life in Finsbury Park when it was a lot poorer and rougher.
For the reasons mentioned above by different people - other than FPR's view of the Welfare State - but adding the worsening current economic forecasts, I'm inclined to think that homelessness will steadily and perhaps rapidly increase. So the key questions become understanding the complex reasons and working with other boroughs, and with agencies - state, and voluntary sector - to formulate an effective programmes which could increase the help on offer.
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