Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Oxford Street to be pedestrianised by 2020 ... so Wightman Rd ...
... can surely be closed to through traffic in the future, as it currently is during the bridge works. If the planners can deal with the re-routing of all those buses and taxi journeys away from Oxford Street for the pedestrianisation plans, it must be possible to do this for Wightman Road as well.
Living Wightman would do well to have a chat with the new Mayor's office.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte A on
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That barrier on Woodlands doesn't stop traffic though, and trucks/lorries can just bomb up Glenwood or Avondale and get round it because there's nothing further up the road.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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That Park Rd one is completely effective though isn't it? And I'm pretty sure residents around Woodlands think that one is effective enough to want to keep it.
I'd love to get some of those types of things over here for the Ladder, can we have your support?
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I would put those barriers on the ladder, although they already kind of have them due to having parking either side of the road, thereby narrowing the carriageway already. I don't think that Park Road one is effective at stopping traffic in the whole area though - if might be effective at stopping lorries going up that part of Woodlands Park Road, but instead they just bomb up Glenwood and Conway/Clarendon, neither of which has a barrier.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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"I don't think it's fair to expand the number of lanes on Green Lanes to compensate for the closure of Wightman Road. A red route will spoil the area and make it hostile to pedestrians."
I have some sympathy with this view. The thinking behind creating extra lanes was to ensure buses could travel unimpeded in either direction. Maybe this isn't necessary, if a different traffic calming approach is taken - perhaps such as with Wood Green - the measures there included widening the pavements, creating two good lanes, but with space for buses to pull in at busstops. Loading bays are sort of shared with pedestrians on the wider pavements. Some of the designated pedestrian crossing areas are achieved with a central island without traffic lights.
I doubt Wood Green is perfect but maybe it provides a traffic-calmed model which could be implemented on Green Lanes?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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As people on HoL have observed, the partial closure of Wightman Road has unintended consequences. Consequences which could and should have been treated as a real life experiment. A great opportunity to learn from before, during and after. And to collect data and turn it into information and - if possible some wisdom. Drawing lessons and planning differently for the future.
How far is that opportunity being taken - wholly or in part? I don't know. I hope it has been seized enthusiastically. Not just because it may change the quality of lives of being living on the ladder roads. But because it could offer a model for other such "experiments" elsewhere in the borough and further afield.
As the architect Jan Gehl has often said, planners know a lot and measure a lot about traffic. But far less about life and people and having lively, liveable healthy cities for human beings.
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FPR - Lots of people do live in small areas of London which deter, block, or in some ways restrict through vehicle traffic, while letting in bikes, walkers and emergency services and deliveries/service vehicles.
Have you seen this article about possible plans for Barcelona? It seems to be aiming at something similar. They seem to serious pollution problems. (Apologies if someone else has already posted this, and I missed it.)
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Thanks for the Barcelona link Alan, that's an inspiring project.
"Private vehicles account for just 20% of total movements in the city [Barcelona] today and yet they occupy 60% of roads."
I wonder what the Haringey percentages are?
"'We need to win the street back,' says Janet Sanz, city councillor for ecology, urbanism and mobility"
What are our local councillors saying about traffic vs living spaces? I found a copy of the council's Transport Strategy for 2011-2014 on the council website - what is the current strategy?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Will you pay my stamp duty please?
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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I know someone taking part in the door to door survey for Living Wightman at the moment. He says about 75% of those he talks to support the following aims;
An extension of current arrangements on Wightman, until the report is ready, in the first instance
· A low traffic Wightman Road long term, which will in turn massively reduce traffic on the ladder roads, creating a safer, healthier and happier future for Wightman Road and the Harringay Ladder
· Solutions put in place to help address any adverse consequences in particular to get buses moving along Green Lanes and Turnpike Lane, but also to help traffic flow more easily at the times when there is congestion.
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Whose doors are they knocking on? Are they going all the way up and down Green Lanes asking everyone in the flats above the shops their opinions? And Endymion Road and Turnpike Lane? West Green Road and St Ann's? Hornsey High Street/Priory Road? Seven Sisters Road?
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I'm sure they'd appreciate volunteers...
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