Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Hooligan Cyclists
When are the police going to take action on law-breaking cyclists?
Twice today, within the space of half an hour, I turned (in my car, so of course it was probably my fault) into one of the one-way Ladder roads and was nearly hit by a cyclist going the wrong way. Then I get shouted at by the cyclist who thinks it's my fault that he's stupid.
Twice today, within the space of half an hour, I turned (in my car, so of course it was probably my fault) into one of the one-way Ladder roads and was nearly hit by a cyclist going the wrong way. Then I get shouted at by the cyclist who thinks it's my fault that he's stupid.
Tags for Forum Posts: Wightman Road, cycling
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Permalink Reply by Adam on
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you can mount the camera on the window and let if run for your journey, and even give a commentary as you go along
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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Why? I am a cyclist (or are you taking to Anette?) and I have never driven to work in a car.
If both drive/ride carefully there will be no problem, when one of them don't, the problems start.
I don't find riding dangerous as I ride safely, maybe it's that parallel universe again?
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I just came back from Maidstone ( a bit far to use the bike )
Of 19 cyclists I saw between Hackney Empire and Wightman, nine had no lights at all. One of the no lighters shot a red traffic light. All of the cars I saw had regulation lighting and none ran a red light.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Hackney, great sample of London cyclists. You'll see a lot more traipsing down Bishopsgate at 8am on Monday morning.
John D, if I ever see you at an offline event I'll expect a good debate and none of this nonsense we've reduced ourselves to. A great shame you did not make it on the 30th.
Good luck with this thread, I'm leaving it. It's pissing me off.
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Why's it annoying you John because peoples real life experiences don't match the romantic notion of the down trodden cyclist. Why can't you just accept what he has to say? My experiences are mine and not distorted in anyway to benefit me, it's what I experience on the road as a cyclist and I am not adhering to any party/organisation line.
People do have bad experiences with cyclists, as with other forms of transport why are you so intent on rubbishing such opinions?
As I have said, we all use the roads and we should be honest, open and work together, all I see at the moment is every group arguing and blaming each other, we all know this will get everybody nowhere.
At some point next week when I cycle to Camden I will note the bad drivers and riders and may even video my journey. I am sure any findings I have will be poo-pooed if it is to the detriment of the cyclists of course.
Lets hug and work together FFS!
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Permalink Reply by DavidJ on
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I don't condone a great deal of the red light jumping and pavement riding I see, but sometimes it is safer when cycling to break the rules:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1695668.ece
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A major factor is that a sizable amount of cyclists have never had any road safety awareness training which would cut down on accidents. Unfortunately many cyclists put themselves at risk by putting themselves in dangerous positions, ie on the inside of a lorry or not knowing what to consider in certain situations.
I am not calling for a license or registration of bikes but any one can hop on a bike without any knowledge of road safety. Drivers of cars, motor bikes and lorries have had to pass tests, practical and theory, some of which don't uphold what they were taught, but the knowledge was there.
Some of the roads in London feel like downtown Mumbai with the cyclists and motorcyclists weaving in and out like loons, I always sit back and let them get on with it. I really think letting motorbikes in bus lanes will add to the carnage.
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Whilst I would never condone riding a bicycle without lights, the Metropolitan Police quite rightly consider the very high rate of uninsured drivers to be a more serious problem in our part of London. In Oct 2006, 1320 uninsured cars were confiscated in Hackney, Haringey and Newham.
According to Transport for London:
"Compared to drivers with insurance, uninsured drivers are:·
Ten times more likely to have been convicted of drink driving
Six times more likely to have been convicted of driving a non-road worthy vehicle
Three times more likely to have been convicted of driving without due care and attention"
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That rather contradicts Danzigger's assertion that motorists are treated with too much leniency. It sounds as if the police are doing a grand job on motorists.
Now let's have some figures about unlit cyclists who run red lights and the likelihood of them having been convicted of posession or selling of drugs, shoplifting and carrying knives. Equally meaningless.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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From the Times article DavidJ linked to;
Rosie Wright, 26, worked close by at the School of Oriental and African Studies, and spoke with friends about her distress on learning that a young woman had died. The next day she was killed by a lorry accelerating away from traffic lights.
Peter Wright, the father of Rosie and a vehicle safety expert who heads the commission which regulates safety in international motorsport, criticised TfL for failing to publish the study. “Rosie was reasonably cautious, which seems to be the problem. It seems that you need to be aggressive and assertive to survive as a cyclist,” he said.
Adam Coffman, an official at the Cyclists’ Touring Club, said: “Women cyclists tend to ride more slowly and are less comfortable doing things that feel risky. So, instead of positioning themselves out wide in the road where they can more easily see and be seen, they are more inclined to hug the kerb, a way of cycling that may feel safer but is in fact more risky.”
Everyone is fighting each other for space and urguing for recognition. Better working together to resolve the issues for all.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Good discussion guys, but I think this one's be well enough aired now. So we'll take it off line and come back to it as neccessary.
Happy New Year y'all.
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