Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Update on Crossrail 2 in Haringey
Update from Sustainable Haringey Transport:
"TfL held a consultation meeting about the proposed Crossrail 2 underground line on 12th October. There are two branches in Haringey. One would come to the surface at Tottenham Hale and then serve stations along the Lea Valley. The other, remaining underground, would serve a station at Seven Sisters and then run either via Turnpike Lane and Alexandra Palace or via Wood Green. This consultation only concerned Turnpike Lane, Alexandra Palace and Wood Green. There is to be a further session to consider Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale. The timescale for the line is for construction during 2020s and to be open by 2030.
"TfL have already ‘safeguarded’ the route. This means that owners of properties within about 100 metres of the proposed line will need to notify TfL of any changes they propose to make to their property. TfL concerns are mostly to do with proposals to excavate foundations etc for large developments and should not affect smaller changes. Prospective buyers of property would need to be informed that the property is within the safeguarded area. If there is any evidence of blight as a result there is a mechanism for compensation. People within the safeguarded area have already been informed.
"TfL also have the power to compulsorily acquire property which they need to build the line. In most cases they will only require it during construction and then are obliged to restore it to its owner in its original condition. One site which is going to be used is in Ermine Road, South Tottenham, where they are storing material and digging a ventilation shaft. There might also be a need for a site in the West Green area if the Wood Green route is chosen (rather than Turnpike Lane and Alexandra Palace) but where this might be has not been decided. None of the sites mentioned appear to involve residential property.
"Attendees at the meeting were shown the work needed around the three stations:
"Turnpike Lane station would be expanded involving some changes to the bus station. It would also involve acquiring the shops on the corner of Westbury Avenue and Langham Road. It is also proposed to acquire the BHS store on the corner of the High Road and Whymark Avenue for the purpose of digging a ventilation shaft. Most of this site would be given back when the work is finished.
"Alexandra Palace station would be underneath the present main line station with an expanded entrance using the small shops and restaurants immediately to the south of the present entrance. It is also proposed to use some of Avenue Gardens for storage. ‘Most of’ Avenue Gardens would be restored after construction is finished.
"If the line serves Wood Green instead of Turnpike Lane and Alexandra Palace it is proposed to acquire the whole of the site bounded by the High Road, Buller Road, Redvers Road and Lordship Lane, including the cinema. Again most of it would be returned when work is finished.
"It’s early days yet. There is plenty of opportunity for protests and changes."
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Fortunately TfL put lots of work into where they put new lines and don't just ask FPR.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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You're kidding aren't you?
It's all about raking in money from investors.. 'Bankers build railways' Not about a co-ordinated transport system.
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Although a boon perhaps for the HoL catchment area, I don't approve of the routeing of this line at all. It goes against all ideas of routeing transport arteries. But when you look at the dreadful routeing of the privately financed Battersea extension of the Northern Line, it's not the first mistake made to London's transport system recently. From the DLR onwards, just too much political and private investor influence on routeing and too little on integration into the current system. That's why expensive tunnels, financed by the taxpayer and only built in 1978 from Green Park to Charing Cross lay unused.
The problem is, once built, these mistakes make hundreds of millions of people's lives difficult for the coming century.
It's a dog's dinner and I seriously hope it won't built in this form. Who in their right mind would want to travel from Ally Pally via Dalston to King's Cross..? This line just doesn't follow natural 'flows'.
Coming back to the Northern line extension.. This really should be an extension of the Waterloo & City Line with interchange at Vauxhall.
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This geographical map is worthwhile to get a feel of how the lines really run : https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/224813/response/560395/attac...
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Permalink Reply by Malcolm on
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That's hilarious. It totally ignores how the current set of rail and tube lines in London were built. All the early lines were built by private companies, in fierce competition which is how we have lines running so close together in many places.
It wasn't until 1933 that the companies were merged, and not until 1948 that it was nationalised. Since then, only two new lines (Victoria and Jubilee) were added.
So the argument that "since the dlr there's been too much private influence" requires ignoring the historical facts. It's easy to believe that how things are now is somehow "right" and new things are therefore axiomatically wrong - but it was ever thus.
No private investor is going to be successful who builds a route no-one wishes to travel.
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There were/are lots of things wrong with the privately financed underground lines as built.
What actually hilarious is, they were mostly all unprofitable.. and soon joined together to create the LER which was later absorbed into LT in 1933. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Electric_Railway
This Crossrail 2 should have a branch over the Lea towards NE London (Leytonstone & Epping) .. not parallel the GN Line as a loop working via Hackney..
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I only disapprove of the Ally Pally Branch becoming part of Crossrail 2. I would be happy to see that branch merged into the Overground lines at Dalston Junction. That would be much more 'sinnvoll'.
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See my comment elsewhere. Thameslink should be easing at least the Piccadilly by then.
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I'm not talking about the Lea Valley Line. I accept that that is going to come. Although that is also only a means of City Hall getting it's hands on to yet another part of the National Rail network. But something which I would accept is probably necessary.
I'm talking about the Branch from Seven Sisters To Ally Pally /New Southgate
As can clearly be seen, passengers from that branch would take a ride around Hackney to get back to King's Cross. Something they could have done directly and faster. Don't forget that Thameslink will be up and running by then. Not shown on the diagram are stops in the LB Hackney at either Stamford Hill or Stoke Newington. Look, I'm not against a New Southgate > Hackney/Dalston link per se, but as I have previously commented, I feel that line should be connected up with the Overground at Dalston Junction. I also commented previously that I think the CR2 Branch should preferably go off further North East towards Leytonstone and take over the Epping Branch of the Central Line. That possibility is also shown on the diagram.
As for 'Been too long in Berlin', sorry, I slightly resent that put down, because it's just not factual. I probably travel more than you do and am in London or the U.K. quite often enough. Not to mention, all of my friends and ex-colleagues who work for TfL & LU, who keep me up to date on most things. I am planning a spring trip to London, so if you want to meet up to check out my credentials on public transport in London. I'd be quite happy to. I believe there is always a HoL Salisbury meet up around the 23rd March.. What about it?
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You mentioning Canary Wharf is exactly what I mean about an Overground connection at Dalston. Currently, there are few decent rail connections from the North of London to the East and South East. A nicely laid out same directional/cross platform interchange between CR2 and an extended Overground to New Southgate would be ideal, in my opinion.
As for: Apols wasnt meant to be a put down! No probs -lol
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