Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Alroy Rd / Endymion Road raised junction and crossing points
The Alroy Road and Endymion Rd raised junction and crossing points are due to be constructed from 16th February. For many years this has been a very dangerous junction for pedestrians and it's a huge relief that finally we will see something done about it. Myself and fellow councillors for the ward met with officers on site some months ago to seek to address the problem. We agreed at the time the course of action and Cllr Mcnamara committed to allocate a budget. Now that we have a firm date I will keep you updated.
Emine Ibrahim
Harringay Ward Councillor
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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Thanks Emine, I value all active ward councillors (of any party) and my aim is to encourage.
PS I've lived here so long that I took a boundary issue to Jeremy Corbyn for advice, when he was a ward councillor.
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Permalink Reply by TTTH on
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Dear Emine, just to be clear on my reasons for posting here. My neighbour has emailed you and other cllrs directly but got frustrated with the responses from haringey council. As I have some expertise in public realm construction and consultation, I have taken this on. He has been petitioning for this crossing for 12 years and has understandably become frustrated. I think that harringayonline is a powerful consultation tool (localism) and I think it's important that everyone in this area is made aware of where and how the councils (our) money is being spent. I look forward to your update.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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She says above that it takes 15 days to get a response to a member's enquiry.
It's more than 15 days now.
Where is the answer Emine ?
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Permalink Reply by Cllr Emina Ibrahim on
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Hi
I will email again asking for and update - I can only apologise
Regards
Emine
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I have just reminded officers that I am awaiting a response.
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I noticed today that the two crossing routes (marked by 'tactile' light-colour slabs in the pavement and dropped kerbs) are now marked out on the road surface, in a bright red colour the width of the road. There is no attempt to suggest a zebra or other controlled crossing, though.
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Hi Gordon, the drop kerbs were put in in the first round of works. The builders told me the other night that these are anti skid strips. Isn't it strange that these have been retro-fitted. They have nothing to do with crossings for pedestrians as far as I am aware and I tried them out this morning and I got the usual "beep".
On a more serious note and sticking with the evidence as this is potentially a very serious mis-management of funds by Haringey, the point raised to members here and via email is that this whole project is merely renewal of what was there and NOT improvement for pedestrians. The project has not even followed the recommendations of the consultant, the Project Centre or the consultation report written by Haringey officers. Both these documents I attached earlier in the thread and state that the raised table/ shared surface is required.
Haringey officers have come back since and said that the road is "slightly raised" at the junction and they will "monitor it". This sounds like another brush off to me and is fundamentally out of line with current best practice as highlighted in "Manual for Streets 1 & 2".
Implementation of raised table junctions falls within the Highways Act, Section 90, which incorporated the Road Humps Regulations 1996 and presumably there lies its legal definition. Sustrans Design Manual Chapter 7 (Feb 2015) definition:
"the raised table should extend from kerb to kerb to benefit pedestrians"
This has clearly not happened. What has happened is renewal of existing with improved drop kerbs. Contrary to best practice for a shared surface (and pedestrian priority/equality), Haringey has chosen to put in a lot of road markings. Evidence has shown (Manual for Streets) that the road markings make vehicles speed so again this is a failure on Haringey to pay close attention to best practice and their consultation with the public, as I for one certainly mentioned this.
Members have asked to meet with local residents to discuss this. Does anyone else wish to join? A date hasn't been set yet but I think it would be useful to get collective support on this. I would be useful if you know anyone who has expertise in transportation, urban design or construction of the public realm as well.
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Hi Gordon
Because of the nature of the junction and bend a Zebra crossing could be dangerous due to potential for cars shunting.
I have had a response and will post it
Emine
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Dangerous to whom? Dangerous to inattentive drivers (who in any case will almost certainly be very well protected in a 20mph shunt) or dangerous for people trying to cross the road? This suggests council officers think the potential for damage to car bodywork trumps pedestrian safety.
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Agree with you Grant. This project was always about making it safer for pedestrians but yet again Transport Engineers throw "Manual for Streets" and good Urban Design practice out the window because (a) they think they know better or (b) they are not listening to their consultees. Emine, as mentioned above a raised table/ shared surface would slow traffic, overcome "the shutting" and give pedestrians equality on the road. Currently the project has failed to meet these objectives not to mention following through with its final recommendations of a raised table/ shared surface. I'm not sure the officers can back out easily on this one though as always I am interested to see the (ever changing) response.
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