Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
New, improved street cleaning
Has anyone else had a letter from Haringey announcing a new improved street cleaning service? In my case this is an "improvement" from once a week to three times (it used to be every day). Anyway, there is a feedback form with space for ideas for improvements. Anything you'd like to suggest?
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Permalink Reply by Diane T on
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YES Falkland Road residents have received the flyer saying how much street cleaning has improved with the introduction of "pickers" and more cleaning - all totally untrue. The road is now very untidy and dirty One cause of this is the proliferation of dog excreta which seems to increase daily and which is vitually impossible
to avoid treading in. Additionally many green recyling boxes do not have lids so paper and cardboad is spread on pavements and in front gardens by the wind. The dreadful tarmac which most of us have had imposed on us has made street cleaning all but impossible as rubbish seems to stick to it. All in all street has deteriorated significantly
Diane T
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Ask your local councillor or ward team about the local LEQ Score. The LEQ (Local Environmental Quality) is the formal measurement of the cleanliness of an area, measuring the amount of litter and detritus on the roads and footways, and the frequency and nautre of graffiti and flyposting in the defined transects (transects are the specific locations under inspection and are roughly 50 - 100m stretches of road/footway) .
These surveys are carried out three times a year by independent inspectors from ENCAMS who inspect a large number of locations across the Borough, encompassing all types of land use categories. Land use categories are divided between various types of retail, housing (high and low obstruction types from a cleansing perspective) and industrial areas, along with a few other miscellaneous types.
These surveys have now been running for some years, so comparative measurements should be available to identify progression by the councils cleansing service. It may be fair to say that many council officers frequently feel that the surveying standards are harsh and the inspectors sometimes unreasonable in taking into account seasonal and other environmental factors.
Whilst it is possible to have some sympathy with this view, as a resident, one might be inclined to think, that cleansing services need to be bespoke in such a way as to deal more effectively with such seasonal and other factors. (eg..leaf fall (it does come every year after all), school children dropping huge volumes of litter around schools, etc etc).
If anyone is interested in knowing any more about this I have some passing knowledge.
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Permalink Reply by WightmanPaul on
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Wightman Road N4 is much worse than last year. It was swept twice daily by sweepers on foot down the entire length. Now a van of 3 or 4 men stops, a few things are picked up [or not], the van lingers with the men on their mobiles for maybe 15 minutes, then they drive off. The street has more litter and detritus for more time than last year.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Please can I ask people to cut and paste these comments and email them to your local councillors and/or use Fix My Street to get feedback to the council officers. They will chase up the contractors.
Details of all the key people to whom you can send mail are here
and send back the feedback cards if you have them.
Joe, thanks for the advice. Will follow up.
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I think you have to put up with the defensive contractor line from Enterprise. They are always moaning about being moaned at.
The officers in charge of monitoring the contract have done check ups on the Harringay Passage and agreed with the residents' findings. It is worth telling councillors/Neighbourhood management as well as they will also follow up and speak to council officers.
Its a pain, I know. I get sick of it at times but I refuse to let it lie and let certain cabinet members claim that everyone is happy with the state of the streets when patently we are not.
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Whilst I agree to the dog mess on the passage I have found that our road (Umfreville) seems to be a little cleaner than it was a couple of years ago. I know this might make us "newbies" but it has improved IMHO. I do think we need to keep on at the council about aspects of cleaning but we should give them some positive feedback for the effort they are trying to make (albeit through a contractor) to give them going.
Agree with Anne for something for us non-car owners for the removal of bulky items, we rely on our parents when they visit.
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Permalink Reply by Alison P on
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My comment on the form was to try and make sure that one of the litter picking days (I just can't write this without thinking about some TV show where someone went on about 'them cotton picking' something or other) was after the bin men had been. Our rubbish is collected on a Friday and generates quite a lot of mess, which then blows around all weekend before being dilligently picked up on a Monday or Tuesday.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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That was exactlly my comment too, Alison.
I have sent the card back, and I really don't thing our road (Seymour) is any cleaner at all. I was really surprised to learn about the inreased effort, as I have seen absolutely no evidence of it.
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Permalink Reply by rahman on
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I read an article recently about a neighbourhood project in New York, where local businesses put money together to employ local unemployed people as street cleaners. They were employed to keep the streets in the immediate surrounding area cleanly swept - a service on top of that offered by the local city council. Their area became one of the cleanest parts of new york (think it was Soho). In effect, they had street cleaners at hand for most of the day, every day. It also helped people take more pride in their local area and reduced littering.
It was a great idea, I thought, and I wonder if something like that would work in Green Lanes and surrounding roads? The scheme was linked in to work experience with local businesses etc to help people move on to other work.
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