Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
West Green Road - Local Safety scheme to include Rumble strips!
Hi all,
I live in the new block Strawbridge Court halfway along West Green Road over the little Tesco. We have recently received notice of the "West Green Road - Local Safety Scheme Proposals". I was hoping to link to an online version, but so far no one has been able to tell me where there is one! So instead here is a link to the map showing the changes to be made:
West Green Road of course does need some work and some of the ideas look good, although possibly do not go far enough and ignore at least one dangerous junction (West Green Road with Langham Road, which is also next to a School).
The main thing though that worries me is the inclusion of Rumble strips along the road. I already get vibrations from the road that sometimes make the cups in my kitchen cupboards rattle a bit if they're touching each other, so anything that causes additional vibrations would be awful!
I am waiting for Haringey council to get back in contact with me to clarify some points, plus to let me know where else in Haringey they have used Rumble strips on residential streets. For now though - I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on where else there are Rumble strips that we can visit and view, plus any ideas on tactics for having an impact during consultations of this type?
We have a group of residents working together, and are planning a full Residents Association soon, but will not have one before this consultation ends on 18th November.
If anyone here wants more info either contact me or email Haringey on frontline.consultation@haringey.gov.uk
Any ideas welcome!
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Permalink Reply by Gus Alston on
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Much appreciated!
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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Hi Gus,
I am also a bit concerned about the rumble strips - I don't live on West Green Road, but in Terront Road nearby and know how the buses make the ground shake when they go over bumps in the road.
I am planning to email the council about repairing the road where the buses stop opposite the Sainsburys Local before they put down any fancy coverings - might as well put rumble strips on a ploughed field otherwise.
Great to hear about your residents group - I'm in Woodlands Park RA and we have started working with Robbie and Jakub (who live in the new houses at the south end of Caversham) to improve the planter by the bus stop. If we can help with anything please let me know - Robbie has my email address or you can pm me on HOL.
Geoff
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Permalink Reply by Grant on
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So - the council have excluded West Green Road from the new 20mph zone, but are now going to attempt to slow vehicles with bumpy tarmac. Confused??
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Yikes,
Where did you read this? I live near the bottom of Langham, and wrote to the council recently about traffic calming in this area, as the 2 supermarkets and the new flats mean more pedestrians risking their lives crossing West Green Rd between the supermarkets.
I'm pleased they are doing something, but we need a 20mph limit on Langham Rd at least, drivers who are frustrated by the traffic on West Green Rd put their foot down going up Langham Rd, does my head in.
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@itsjono you can see a map of where in the borough will be excluded from the 20mph zone on the council website here (8mb pdf):
http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/Published/C00000216/M00006960/AI...
Seems a bit of a mess to me with an inconsistent approach. Is Park Road by the swimming pool really a 'main road'?
Also Bounds Green School, St Marys, Lordship Lane Primary and West Green Primary (maybe others) will still have 30mph roads outside, which seems both unfair to parents/students of those schools and contrary to the wishes of respondents to the council's consultation.
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Yeah this seems crazy! We have a Safety scheme aiming to bring down speeds on West Green Road, yet we don't make it 20mph?
Of course at peak times it's already under 20mph due to levels of traffic, so keeping it 30mph doesn't even increase capacity!
It seems they did a traffic survey before the safety scheme, so when we have our residents association working I think we might request the results of that survey as I believe it will back a case for getting West Green road added to the 20mph zone. As before, would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has experience of successfully campaigning to local councils for these kind of changes!
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The Department for Transport's LTN 1/07 'Traffic Calming' is interesting (!) on rumble strips. To quote: 'The average 85th percentile speed differences showed a reduction of 1 mph'. The same note also suggests that speeds can increase after installation. Presumably because drivers realise they can minimise the rumble effect by driving over them faster (as people do with cattle grids).
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Hi Grant - any chance of a link to this info, as I am currently writing my response to this consultation?
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Hi Gus
It's linked from this page: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/local-transport-notes
What is the 'official' way of responding to this consultation? Online or by email?
Thanks
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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There's at least one error on the map, as Broad Lane - the east and south bits of the Tottenham ex-gyratory - is 20mph, though marked as 30mph - it is still a Red Route/TfL, but it's meant to be local traffic only. This info doesnt seem to have trickled down yet to the thousands of cars that use it to access Seven Sisters Road on their way in from Essex - they would get there much quicker if they used Monument Way which is 4-lane and designed to take all that traffic. What's that saying about Best Laid Plans? The road planners zooming in from TfL HQ need to hang around the locals a bit more, as well as reviewing these schemes after they are finished.
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