Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Gay life IN Harringay
I am reliably told that there used to be a gay/bi bar in Green Lanes (next to the Salisbury?) in the early eighties. Would a gay bar in Harringay take off again? A friend of mine has money to invest and, with Catch22 in Turnpike Like set to close once the lease runs out, I think it could be a starter. Discuss.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I'm not sure feeling threatened has anything to do with London as such.
Generally in the UK, kids learn the importance of aggression at a very early age. Their parents often use it as a mark of discipline and the kids then go on use the same tactic amongst their friends. It's a bit of a vicious circle really.
It also has to do with the fact that certain cultures see homosexuality as lower in the pecking order as themselves and therefore use aggression against members of that particular group, to higher their own standing.
I won't bore you with details, but here in Berlin holding hands in public is/was not an issue amongst ethnic Germans, although the influx of teenagers from other cultures has seen an increase of attacks against gays in recent times; and this is often thought to be caused by paternal violence at home.
A couple of good posters have been produced:
Nearly as good as our Refuse Collector posters aren't they?
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Permalink Reply by rahman on
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Steven, I am going to try to reply to this as pragmatically as possible:
It is clear to all that Germany does not have a great modern history in its treatment of gay people by 'ethnic Germans'.
The frequent rate at which you apportion blame for western society's modern ills on 'other cultures' is perhaps one of the reasons why there isnt such a great contribution to this community website from some of Harringay's many diverse and fabulous communities.
Im just making an observation.
And Im sorry if anyone is offended by this post. I had resolved to stick to light threads after recent comments by members that they felt uncomfortable with angsty threads- but I just felt that I had to respond to this as this is not the kind of comment that I feel should go unchallenged.
Feel free to moderate this if you wish, Hugh and Liz.
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Hey Rahman, you're right about the past.. You know, I didn't even consider that when I wrote what I did. I should have done. BUT that was over 60 years ago. More than 80% of Germans today weren't even born then. I just wonder how long they are going to have to be saddled with the crimes of their predecessors?
And also because since I've lived here (nearly 25 years), I've never had one racist or anti-gay remark made against me (from Germans) but I certainly have from other groups. So why should I not say it as it is and pretend that is somehow different, just because it is uncomfortable?
Stll that's not Harringay stuff - so I'm quite happy to remove it. (Let me know Mr Hugh and Mme Liz)
Other people were talking (not me) about how Gay people in Harringay don't feel free to live like the majority do and that was why I added the poster. If it offends, I'll remove it too.
@Rahman.. you can either call me Steve or Stephen.. I'm not that keen on Steven :o)
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Back from my Jog.. still no answer.. you all get up soooo late.. :o)
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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The poster is lovely, makes me smile, as far as I know, no one has expressed offense, and frankly, if they did, I'd give my standard response of don't read a post about gay life if that's your attitude. As the recent Stonewall campaign poster I saw at the Arena said, 'Some people are gay, get over it'
With regard to this conversation, it may be getting a little OT. How about adding each other as connections and continuing this conversation privately?
Thanks for keeping the recent conversations about appropriate conversations in mind. There's a lot more people reading these posts than we imagine...
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Stephen, Liz is right. We're going off topic!
The poster is great! I think they should have sent it as a response to all those ridiculous people who complained to ofcom and had the heinz mayo 'gay kiss' advert pulled.
I think Im going off topic again....
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Permalink Reply by Maddie Doyle on
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I was led to this comment from a more recent post, and I'm irritatingly resurrecting an ooold thread!
I know a good few people who would show support if a new place opened :) Did your friend have a venue in mind? Does your friend even still wanna do this?
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Permalink Reply by sara wajid on
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And although it's also an old point does anyone want to write about Harringay's gay history for www.untoldlondon.org? site i edit for london museum about london's history - cover things like exhibitions like the LGBT history one at Bruce castle Museum and other stuff - am keen on a 'granular social history' piece like this ....If you can't be bothered to write it I could interview someone who has lots memories of the various venues over a pint in the salisbury one night....
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Permalink Reply by RussellV on
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There is a gay fringe feel to The Garden Ladder although it is rather understated - it could be worked on....!
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Permalink Reply by smileygirl2010 on
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Hey Justin,
I know this is an old post, but are you guys going ahead with this? If so, if you are looking for an interior designer and a relianble and inexpensive building co, let me know. I would be happy to look at it for you!
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