Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
On one corner: one borough's £1 million camera?
HARRINGAY residents and transient motorists might like to view this sub-five-minute video shot this afternoon.
It's a time-lapse over 60 minutes (link below).
It features the foot of Hewitt Road from where motorists exit, but are not permitted to turn right.
Further along the street, a different camera – a Council-controlled camera – keeps an eagle eye out for unsuspecting motorists. It records the action more regularly and more determinedly than the footage you're about to see.
Watching the video:
- Keep your eyes on the lower right of the frame: each time a vehicle turns right into Green Lanes, the figure of £180* is displayed. [*in the first of the three videos below, that should have been rendered as £130 and mentioned £65 if advantage were taken of the quick-payment deal]
- If you watch through to the end, a summary of the hour's activities and that hour's takings is displayed.
- Finally, there's a Star-Wars-like listing of the locations in Haringey where such cameras are located. Enjoy.
Enjoy ?!
Thanks for the HD video and editing go to Paul Stork
New link to Video (on Vimeo)
Councillor
Highgate Ward
Liberal Democrat Party
Tags for Forum Posts: 60-mins, FPN, Fixed-Penalty-Notice, Hewitt, No-right-turn, Road, time-lapse, £130, £180, £65
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I'm just not getting this Clive. Are you saying that it is wrong that there is no right turn out of Hewitt or that it is wrong for the council to enforce the regulation?
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Michael, on Tuesday I said (above)
I don't suggest that motorists should be able to turn right at these locations, but IMO, the level of (fixed) penalty is disproportionate to the offence caused.
There are other points to make about this junction and the cameras trained on it:
First, if it is dangerous to turn right from this ladder road, then to a greater or lessor degree, it must be dangerous to turn right from any number of ladder roads: yet not all have this restriction. Because Green Lanes is a major arterial road (and putting aside any considerations of danger), it is surely undesirable that any vehicle can turn right into it.
If a Fixed Penalty Notice of £xyz is good, then would not a Fixed Penalty Notice of 2 x £xyz be better, and a Fixed Penalty Notice of 3 x £xyz be better still?
Second, as far as enforcement goes, it won't escape public attention that parking regulations – that generate a multi-million pound profit surplus – are enforced to a fault, yet planning enforcement, that costs money, isn't enforced to quite the same degree.
In each of points one and two, there would appear to be a degree of inconsistency, do you not think?
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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What part of " I don't suggest that motorists should be able to turn right at these locations "
don't you understand ?
It means " no "
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Joe, thanks for your kind contribution. Here's a similar view of drivers taken yesterday afternoon. They continue to turn right in droves, despite the signage, that needs to be more prominent.
Double-click to open a much bigger image; apologies for the artifacts in the middle (moving car/s and pedestrian). Can you see two cameras trained on this spot?
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"are you saying that it is wrong that there is no right turn out of Hewill [sic]"
Joe, if you really want me to parse this question, I will:
"wrong" is a moral judgement. In this context it is unfortunately imprecise. It could mean a number of things.
I imagine the decision to make this a no-right turn was made by professional traffic engineers. I note that this junction is close to the important junction of Green Lanes with St Ann's Road. The restriction presumably is part of the ladder one-way road system, that has been in place since the mid-1990s.
I'm sure that you know and everyone knows, that it is currently illegal to turn right from the bottom of Hewitt Road. I say currently, because this restriction has not always been in place.
I would not turn right there nor encourage anyone to turn right there. I would encourage them to obey the law.I think you've missed my point about the level of the fine, which is the reason I began this thread. Is there any level of fine that you think would be too much?
If the fine was raised to £1,000, some drivers might still mistakenly turn right – but it could represent even greater hardship on those private motorists who can only just afford to run a car.
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Looks at the map Clive. A right turn from Hewitt takes vehicles straight into the queue waiting for the lights at the junction with St Ann's Road. If the queue is too long they didn't join the end, they hovered in the middle of the carriage way trying to force their way in, holding up traffic heading north, or they go diagonally trying to get to the front of the line, straight into the people crossing at the lights by Tesco. This is not the case in other roads along the Ladder so yes, Hewitt should be treated differently.
I would imagine that at least some the money from traffic enforcement goes into traffic enforcement so miscreants pay for their own policing. Planning enforcement is a very long and expensive process and the level of fine does not recoup the costs so we all pay for it from taxation.
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Hewitt should be treated differently.
Michael I agree with you in this much, of the several roads where we wouldn't want traffic able to turn right (along a stretch with several light-controlled pedestrian crossings), Hewitt is first among equals.
Having agreed at least that we really don't want traffic turning right at Hewitt, would you agree that if Haringey really didn't want traffic turning right, they would erect a sign at or near the bottom of the Road warning of the camera and fine?
Or would that risk defeating the object of the cameras?
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Which other roads Clive and why? I don't think you really appreciate the unique situation with the junctions of Hewitt, Green Lanes and St Ann's Road. Stand and watch for a while and imagine the situation if vehicles did turn right into a traffic streamt where the north and south traffic lights are on different sequences.
I don't go walking along streets looking for signs telling me I am on camera and might fined for doing something I know I shouldn't do, I either don't do it or I accept the consequences if I'm caught. Why should motorists be any different?
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Can ask just one question Clive. Why on earth are you fronting what amounts to a campaign in a ward 4kms from the ward you represent and has no impact whatsoever on your own constituents? Would you not think it a bit strange if Emina, James or Gina did something similar in your ward?
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Morning Michael: I walk along Green Lanes many times a week which partly accounts for my interest in the bicycle stand fiasco (more on that later). I also happen to know the junction of Green Lanes with St Anns and Hewitt Roads particularly well, as you might guess.
Councillors are not simply or exclusively councillors for their own ward (where they may not necessarily live), but are Members of the Council with Borough-wide responsibilities. By way of illustration, as one of the directors of Homes for Haringey Ltd., in a small way, I am indirectly responsible for 21,000 dwellings throughout our Borough.
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Of course elected members have a responsibility to the borough as a whole but this is a local issue solely within the boundaries of a ward where as an elected representative, you have no responsibilities. What is it you actually hope to achieve?
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