Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
20's Plenty Where we live
I'm sure parents have warranted fears about this, as there a no longer any physical barriers, let's make Green Lanes a safer route for all of us, there has already been four deaths too many in recent years.
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Permalink Reply by GillianM on
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I'm not against the idea - sure it wouldn't do any harm - but I'm not sure how much impact it would have - most of the time you can't do much more than 20 on green lanes anyway. And a speed limit isn't going to stop dangerous drivers putting on a burst of speed when they have a few metres of clear road in front of them.
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Permalink Reply by markb on
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I commute through Islington, a 20mph borough. When I match speeds with the normal traffic flow, it's always (significantly) over 20mph except near a speed camera.
It strikes me that without rigorous enforcement and/or adapting the road to calm traffic, these 20mph zones are a delusion and a waste of money.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I've always found it odd that some perfectly law abiding citizens seemed to loose their moral sense the minute they get behind the wheel of a car and see if they can "get away with it" in a manner they simply would not do in other circumstances. People thinking they can flout a law is no reason not to have one. It should mean far heavier penalties.
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If a driver can't observe the rules of the road they do not deserve to have a licence so sufficient points that will ban then for a set period if it's a second or third offense.
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But it has John. I am ancient enough to remember when getting behind the wheel of a car when tanked up was almost acceptable.
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Some government stats on this.
Since 1979, when detailed reporting began, there has been an almost six-fold reduction in the number killed in drink drive accidents and a similar drop in seriously injured casualties
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I wasn't being sarcastic. I was genuinely saying that severe penalties have worked in reducing drink driving.
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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Couldn't agree more. Personally, whilst I support 20mph limits on residential roads I also think that through routes such as Green Lanes should remain at 30mph.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Yep, doing 19mph in Broad Lane means I get hooted at and flashed at and I'm sure one day I'll get punched for it. There are huge 20 signs all over it. Enforcement is by the drivers who stick to the limit - I've heard a traffic guru say that.
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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I feel it gives more leeway for police, they say there isn't speeding, but I've witnessed incidents, it is claimed they are merely accelerating, so they could inforce. Key benefits reduce speed, improves air quality and fuel efficiency due more to more regulated speed, (less acceleration,) & traffic flow would improve also.
My basic feeling is that one safety, where drivers can be more courteous to other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians, with better anticipation, Green Lanes would be a slow zone not a congested zone, 20 MPH is a calmer speed to drive.
Victorian roads are built for it, traditionally horse drawn vehicles only did 20 MPH across London, and the average speed of cars across London is 20 MPH. The point is the railings have been removed, there is no physical barrier for small children to stop and allow parents to remind them to wait look and listen before crossing Green Lanes, so a
20 MPH zone will allow better reaction times for drivers, and greater survival chances where incidents occur, worth it I think.
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