Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Parking on High Street Hornsey
I've just received a PCN for parking illegally in the bays outside the Tesco on Hornsey High St. I was parked there for about 4mins at 13.39 on Sat 28th Dec.
I'm a bit confused though as all the photos I can find of the parking signs seem to indicate that parking is permitted for 1 hr, Mon-Sat 10am-4pm. Has this changed recently? Can someone who lives/works there confirm before I go up there please?
Many thanks
Dan
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Farnworth on
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Sorry, that should have read Mon-Sat
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Permalink Reply by HarringayBirder on
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But what do the signs say?..
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Hasn't Haringey heard about the move to make parking more flexible to help high-street businesses ?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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As an occasional victim of hard-to-understand parking lines and signs, I want to see clarity and certainty about where and when we can park and for how long. I think I've seen 'em all: signs and lines which are poorly marked; incorrect; ambiguous; faded; unlawful; and only intelligible provided you know Boolean algebra. There are also issues of fairness. The level of charges in London is set by the London Councils’ Transport and Environment Committee (TEC) which has representatives from the 33 local authorities in London, plus Transport for London. It is in other words, a cartel of highway robbers with legal power to hold you up. It treats motorists as cash cows and - in effect - encourages them to use the nearest large stores to enjoy free parking.
Daniel and Michelle, if these particular signs & lines are really ambiguous or unclear, I suggest that within the time deadlines and as quickly as possible please take photos and make at least an informal challenge. You may want to copy in your ward councillors in case they're dealing with other complaints about the same location.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor - until May 2014)
P.S. You may spot that on the link I gave to the Council's website it says today (15 January 2014):
"Please note: due to essential maintenance work you are currently unable to view photos and CCTV footage. Service should be restored by 5 December. Our apologies for any inconvenience caused."
I hope that meant 5 December 2013.
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Permalink Reply by dbh1954 on
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Always worth a challenge particularly if the signs and markings are ambiguous. What do you have to lose?
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What I don't get with the enforcement here is that it is perfectly acceptable for the plumbers to park there at rush hour on a weekday morning and cause traffic chaos but then at lunchtime on a Saturday you're not able to go and do your shopping.
Surely the loading only restriction is to allow the the plumbers merchant to stay in business. What's the difference?
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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Glad you mentioned this, this kind of enforcement is killing the potential for Hornsey High Street, and were the ones paying for it.
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A quick P.S.
One of the excellent Barnet Bloggers, Mr Mustard (Derek Dishman) has been harrying NSL, Barnet's Parking contractors; both on his website and by taking up individual cases for Barnet residents. His latest blog entry is "Never Sodding Learn" = NSL.
He may be willing to offer some helpful words of advice if you email him.
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Got a ticket there, contested and won.
Ask why parking is enforced by camera and not enforcement officer when Hornsey High Street is within the Hornsey South CPZ.
Ask for the location of signage indicating that parking is being enforced by cameras.(There is one sign on the High Street by the roundabout at Middle Lane, but no signage if you are travelling from Turnpike Lane).
Each point has to be addressed in their response. Sit back and wait for them to mess up. Amongst other things I got told the signage was at the junction of Hornsey High Street and Hornsey Lane - two roads that are over a mile apart at their closest point!
In 20 years I've had about 6 tickets, contested them all bar one, and won each time.
Even if there's nothing to contest you can usually rely on them to completely mess up, and have to withdraw the PCN. If nothing else, at least make them work for their money. An informal challenge does not effect the amount you pay.
Tony Kennedy is a very reasonable man who knows his stuff, luckily for us he is surrounded by a team who don't.
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Permalink Reply by Kieran Cullen on
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Very helpful. We had 2 within the 1st week of the camera installation as we were completely unaware of the change. Haringey is rapacious recently. In the last year I've had about 6 tickets even tho I have a blue badge because of not reading the minutiae and catch 22 clauses on the signs and interpreting them accurately. And I'm ed to post grad level! We need some organised fight back against this daylight robbery. Anyone want to start a campaign of complaint/ lobbying? I'm able to assist with admin and as a contact
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Totally agree Kieran. The biggest problem is with the appeal system.
Councils rely on people not appealing as they don't want to risk the increased cost after the informal appeal. Often the points that are raised in the informal appeal are completely ignored despite the fact they have to address any issues that you bring to their attention.
If appeals are taken to the adjudicator and won, as a very high percentage are, there is no comeback on the council. Until the council are in some way are fined for incorrectly issuing PCN's nothing much will change. If we get something wrong we get fined, if they get something wrong, in most cases, they collect the fine anyway.
My recent issues with Haringey parking are well detailed on this site!
This site has plenty of info for anyone else fed up with the system
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Forgot to mention, if you get a ticket that you feel is unjust, always appeal at informal stage, and e-mail Tony Kennedy at the same time quoting PCN number and asking for his comments on why you feel the situation (not the PCN) is unjust. I've always found him very fair and helpful.
If we don't let the council know that we're not happy there's not much they can do it. As far as I remember, appeals get sent off to somewhere up north, and i'm not sure if they are even seen by the council - I maybe wrong.
Don't bother contacting Head of Parking, Ann Cunningham, in my experience she only replies to councillors.
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