Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
House prices
Speak to the estate agents, something unprecedented it's happening with the cost of home ownership, especially between wood green tube and ally pally.
It's possible this government may become known as seeing through the largest distribution of wealth from the poor to the rich ever ....
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Do you know of any examples, FPR, where banning vehicles from a city centre has led to High Streets becoming successful play streets for younger children?
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Permalink Reply by JJ B on
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I wasn't talking about the traffic. In Wood Green it is limited to 2x2 lanes. Its just that the 80's(???) red brown shopping mall...is it the model for other town centres?
The reworking of the gyratory in Seven Sisters added more !!! lanes to the town centre stretch!
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The photo is hardly realistic, John. Only one of those kids seems to be on his mobile.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Let's have a bit of practicality. Which road (s) do you suggest we send the buses down ? Mary Neuner's no good - it's too far from the shops.
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And look at this...even Sisters rebranded as Upper Stokey!
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-londons-bright-...
The worlds has gone mad! But feeds in to the initial subject of this discussion. Where to prices and those who can't afford them?
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Permalink Reply by Neville Collins on
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@ JJB:
You claim in a previous comment that like many others, I lack 'confidence' in Tottenham's potential. That's because, being a resident of Tottenham all my life, and Tottenham Hale for most of it, I have seen the numerous regeneration plans thought-up and implemented by Haringey Council come and go, and seen the price that local people have paid for it. The area has been in decline long before the 1985 riot, and the rot intensified after that. The 2011 riot has killed off any real hope of the area being improved. The lack of any proper and decent amenities, coupled with the council's ongoing failure to maintain the public realm properly keeps property prices low in the area, hence the lack of demand. I'm not only angry, but also realistic about the situation.
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Prices in Tottenham are rising because people are being forced to move here as prices in other more desirable areas explode. But there are savvy investors around too that know that you gain most by investing in property when it is at the bottom of the cycle and when investment in infrastructure is announced. So the demographic is changing and hence the anti-gentrification movement. But that is how this economy and society function.
Yes and I am a relatively new incomer. I lived in Brixton and there were riots there too. What are people saying about that place? I feel that the riots in Tottenham spurred more local people to be even more aware of the role they need to play in influencing things.
There is also still an air of rebellion and anger that you mention hanging around. The regime's plans will deliver more social unrest if pushed through in their current form. The latest I've heard is that just 24 hours after the closing date for the consultation on the North Tottenham plans, leaflets were delivered announcing that option 3 -involving the most demolition!- was what people want.
We'll see. The chickens only come home to roost long after those responsible have moved on, leaving residents to pick up pieces. Real regeneration can't be achieved unless the systems themselves are changed and there is no sign of that change at "head office"!
A certain dependency cycle needs breaking also, but people are not inherently "deprived". I see loads of examples of entrepreneurial spirit and community activism that need harnessing and support. However, the system isn't set up to facilitate this and it takes harder work and much more genuine commitment from politicians. And guts...those who speak out against the nomenklatura get sidelined and the others fall into to line. Our local MP's wishy-washiness doesn't help!
I think we agree that it is the lack inspired leadership with a vision and a coherent "development" strategy that focuses on local people's strengths and needs that has kept the place back, along with a greatly inefficient, disastrously incompetent and at times corrupt council.
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Why is that ramping up racism?
I myself am an immigrant here and of mixed heritage. Fact. The new possibility for those nationalities to come to the UK may put increased pressure both on housing and jobs. Provision has to be made for this and factored into policy decisions. Their willingness to integrate also has its implications. There are other issues too! In Tottenham we have loads of single white men from eastern Europe gathering on streets drinking cans of beer, getting drunk and leaving the piles of cans in hedges and on the pathways. Other residents don't like it. Is that racist?
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You are not kidding. The middle class can no longer afford to buy in traditional areas like Muswell Hill etc and the borders also. Now they are moving into areas like Tottenham where the housing stock is good. Working class people are priced out of the housing market almost entirely but the govts new intervention in their 'free market' has had the effect of causing more inflation.
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