Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Last chance to object to Hewit Road no right turn proposals
Hi - last post from me on this.
Those of you who've been following this discussion will have seen that the proposed no right turn at the bottom of Hewit Road is not being proposed as a 'trial' and is indeed intended to be a permanent change. This is being done without a risk assessment, and with no clear idea what the impact is going to be on the surrounding area. A number of us have pointed out the obvious risk this poses to children to-ing and fro-ing from the two schools and children's centre on Pemberton Road - and the Council have finally admitted that they know there will be an increase to traffic on Pemberton Road, yet are still pressing ahead.
If you feel strongly about this - then do take the time to make your feelings known. Previous experience has shown that if a significant number of objections are received - the council will take notice, as was the case the last time there was a proposed change to the area which clearly would have funnelled traffic past the schools and children's centre.
So - if you want to object, then do so today/tomorrow.. you can do so by emailing traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk quoting “Objection - Hewit Road No right turn” in the subject line. Deadline for comments is Friday 8th November.
Cheers,
Paul
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Where is your chart of traffic on Hewit?
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Permalink Reply by Judith Box on
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I didn't say the parents were causing excess traffic, I said they were causing an issue of safety, at times when there are peak numbers of children outside the school. Don't forget that for the rest of the time the children are safely locked behind electric gates.
You don't have any idea how any change will effect the traffic. It's all guesswork. But this is exactly why tacking this stuff on a street by street basis is just ridiculous. Block of all the road for residents only - creat traffic hell for Wightman and anyone trying to go down Green Lanes. Block off Wightman - create rat runs through residential streets in Crouch End. We're not a bunch of kids trying to share out some sweets fairly. The traffic around this area is generally pretty good, free flowing etc etc. Have you ever tried to cut through the back of the tottenham one way system. Residential streets heaving with annoyed and irate drivers.
Honestly a lot of this stuff is based on perception, and a whole heap of life is just so unfair.
Ps apologies for typos, using ipad and the interface is a bit useless sometime.s
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How much traffic does Hewit actually get Ant? Now that you know...
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Come on. Either it gets 50% more than neighbouring roads so this is "fair" or it gets the same so this is "of negligible impact".
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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That doesn't make any sense to me or i don't understand what you're suggesting - could you explain your definition of "fair" and "of negligible impact"?
Unfortunately when i measured Hewit the battery ran out so i don't have a graph to show. I do however now have some data from counts the council did back in March. Thats not in such a useful format as the 15 minute interval graphs i have though so i need to do a bit of work to show it in a comparable way, i'll try to do that this lunch time. It does show Hewit is busy, but not extraordinarily busy, so i think you've been right saying its a squeaky wheel.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Quantitatively I suspect Hewit is a busy road, but comparable with a few other roads on the ladder and possibly not the busiest.
Qualitatively I suspect the big impact is the fact it will tend to back up as so much of the traffic to get across GL to St Anne's and it is not able to clear as efficiently because of the one difficulty of doing this.
So, there may be more of a perception of it being busier as it has cars loaded on its road for longer. This happens on Pemberton at certain times of the day too, so I can imagine it may not be that nice for those directly affected!
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But again, we are all shouting into a vacuum without proper data...
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but of course none of the data we're likely to get will actually help with any of that either, its just simple traffic counts. So there is no actual evidence that the current Hewit traffic is in fact going to hurt their integral part of the (public realm improvements) scheme, and, if its traffic backing up on Hewit thats the real problem that doesn't even have any impact on the Green Lanes scheme, so the justification for the change we're being given is nonsense..
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Ok. So here is the heart if the issue. It's one abour clear process and accountability. Which I really agree with. I don't think when the Hewit Road group responded to the consultation, that they realised is would be picked up on in quite the way it was by local politicians. The reversing the traffic flow in isolation of any other changes was ludicrous. The issue about traffic turning right out of Hewit into St Anne's is I believe real, though I don't have actual data to back that up.
I guess we need to think about what any changes actually mean. If you get even distribution of all traffic across all roads. How does that actually look different from what we have now? Children don't play in the street anyway. Most of us don't spend time in our front gardens. There are different regulations already in place that should deal with inappropriate traffic using the roads and speeding over speedbumps. What does this equal utopia actually look like. -
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Actually that's not strictly true. The department for transport has lots of data on traffic flow. In fact they do manual counts of lots of points to monitor traffic flow across much wider areas than our own little backyard.
There are some 46 count points in Haringey. It just so happens they don't track the data down to residential street level. But I am sure people better placed to mine statistics than me can look at that data and predict north south east west traffic flow.
If you do look at the data, it shows a drop in traffic heading down green lanes. (Measured between beresford and effingham from 25,000 per day to 20,500 per day last year.
This compares to 18,000 cars that use Crouch End broadway, and some 12,000 on West Green Road.
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