Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Yet Another Music Promoter Applies for Open Licence to Use Finsbury Park
This via Stroud Green Residents' Assoc:
Haringey Council has received an application from Live Nation for an indefinite premises licence for events - concerts etc. - in Finsbury Park. As with licences granted to other organisations, SJM and Festival Republic, the licence being sought isn't for a specific event, once granted Live Nation will be able to use it at any future time without the need to further consult the public.
Live Nation intend the first event to be the three day "Wireless Festival" to run on 4-6th July next summer. Setting up the event and taking down will also involve a week of activity at either side of the event, so a large amount of the park will be out of bounds for two weeks.
The summary details of the application on the Haringey Council web site are:
Live Nation Finsbury Park
Finsbury Park, Seven Sisters Road, London N4
Provision of regulated entertainment: Plays, Films, Live Music, Recorded Music, Performance of dance and anything of a similar description
Monday to Sunday 10am to 11pm
Supply of Alcohol: Monday to Sunday 10am to 11pm For consumption on the premises
Opening Hours: Monday to Sunday 10am to 11.30pm
Premises Type: Park
End Period: 21 November 2013
New Application
Attached below is a copy of the application, plus a copy of the site plan. Please note that it seems as if Live Nation are intent on increasing the area of park to be used compared with previous events e.g. this years Stones Roses concerts. The proposed area is also far greater than the "Typical event area" which the Council are showing in their consultation on events.
If you wish to comment upon the application this should be sent to:
Licensing Team
Units 271-272
Lee Valley Technopark
Ashley Road
Tottenham
N17 9LN
Tel 020 8489 8232
Fax 020 8489 5528
Email licensing@haringey.gov.uk
Comments must relate to the Council's licensing objectives which are:
- The prevention of crime and disorder
- Public safety
- The prevention of public nuisance
- The protection of children from harm
further details on the Councils web site:
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/business/licensing_regulations/lic...
COMMENTS MUST BE RECEIVED BY 21 NOVEMBER, any received after that date will not be considered.
Unfortunately the licensing process does not allow local residents and park users to make comments on issues such as the amount of space which Live Nation intend to use. Any comments of this nature should be addressed to
Simon Farrow
Head of Client Services
Single Frontline
Haringey Council
Tel: 020 8489 3639
Email: simon.farrow@haringey.gov.uk
Mail: 4th Floor, River Park House, 225 High Road, Wood Green, London N22 8HQ
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Permalink Reply by Churros on
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Thanks for posting this. It links to my earlier post about the council looking to increase the number of "large event" days from 5 to 18 a year. This is the thin end of the wedge. I will object to this application.
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Well my objection will be qualified. WIll there be sufficient policing, traffic management, cleaning etc and will the fee charged to Live Nation be sufficient? And for about a two week period over half the park will be closed to residents during the peak of the summer. So there is a significant 'inconveience' to residents counterbalanced only by how well the council is paid for hiring out 'our' park.
The Stone Roses gigs generated about £100k in fees to the council but based on ticket costs and merchantising I estimate that the promoters took about£6-7million. All the costs of cleaning, policing, damage/repairs to the park etc had to come out fo the £100k. And for what its worth our street was utterly chaotic for 2-3 hours before each gig. I don't know about yours.
This year's Live Nation ticket prices were £57.50. Assuming £60 next year and 50,000 people attend for three days (as estimated in the license application) the take will be £9,000,000. Plus merchandising. I think its not unreasonable that the council should look to take at least 5% of the gross take to compensate residents and to reinvest in parks etc. So a minimum take of £450,000 and absolute guarantees about the management of the crowds OUTSIDE the park as well as compensation for any damage to grass, trees etc.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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10-13% would be what a commercial operator would look to take.
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Well, our street - near teh Faltering Fullback - was mayhem on the Saturday of the Stone Roses gig (not to mention the urination - and worse!) in streets and gardens near the Oxford Road bridge. I think there's a balance to be struck. I've no objection to some large events provided not too many and provided that residents are not significantly inconvenienced. But I'm not convinced the council is really to those provisos.
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Oh, OK. I remain bemused by point 3 (clearly I am an 'outsider' in this respect) but point 1 is very relevant to the current license application. Ta.
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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I also share your disquiet over this extension. I have objected to the license application and also written to Simon Farrow asking him to intervene to stop the proposal to extend the area used.
I would urge all those who are uncomfortable with the possibility of 40% of Finsbury Park being turned over to concert promoters, with the freedom potentially to put on loud events with 40K+ attendees, & to run a bar serving from 10 in the morning to 11 at night, 7 days a week, to do the same!
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The seven day bar /alcohol license request is because the application is in perpetuity (until/unless cancelled). While they will probably run the festival over a weekend they may at some point in the future want to run it on say Thursday to Sunday (or maybe over a bank holiday weekend). If the license is approved now they wouldn't have to reapply for a license for Thursdays or Mondays or whatever.
I'm sure Live nation's current business plan will be for Friday to Sunday as the council would be unlikely to agree to an event running for more than three days as it would be in conflict with their proposed large event policy.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I don't think ANY application of this type should be granted " in perpetuity " If the events turn out to be badly-run or anti-social, the Council should be able to cancel approval at any time ( after due warning )
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My words ("in perpetuity") not theirs. But my understanding is that many alcohol licenses (including pubs) are not time limited and are set to run indefinitely UNLESS/UNTIL they are challenged or a review is initiated.
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Permalink Reply by Andy H on
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excellent news!
a festival we can nip home from to use the loos!
am I the only one who this this is great news - just hope the line up is good.
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