Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Writing on the Wall for Fairline
Today's planning applications list shows an application for the use of this triple shop premises as A3 (Restaurant). So it seems that what the owner told me a few weeks back may not have been the whole truth.
I'm told that the application is being submitted by an operator who is already running a restaurant elsewhere in North London. The plans are for it to be another Turkish / Kurdish operation.
The traders I've spoken to seem split on whether another Turkish restaurant is a good thing or a bad thing.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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You can't 'stop a betting shop' because of Government legislation. It's my opinion that, given Council policy (see Stan's post and mine above) , if objections are made to this application, referring to that policy, there is in fact a very strong case for this application being rejected.
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Thanks for the update. There's certainly ample enough representation there to ensure that the planning officers and planning committee consider the case carefully. However, I think recent Pickles' rule changes may limit the degree of control the Council has. I'm unclear about the exact extent of these changes and the degree to which they may hold sway in this case. Someone else may be better informed.
Interesting to see that the original applicant took up a counter petition to the one organised by the traders.
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Permalink Reply by Simon T on
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In the design part of the application it states "Improve eating experience to area
The restaurant will provide a new and varied mix of Eurasian cuisine to the area increasing the choice of different restaurants and improve the eating experience to the public in this area." Yet in another document it shows a kebab and takeaway counter , so another Turkish restaurant then ......
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The relevant part of Haringey's policy is, I think the following:
TCR5: A3 RESTAURANTS AND CAFES, A4 DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS AND A5 HOT FOOD TAKEAWAYS
The Council when assessing proposals for restaurants, cafes, drinking establishments and hot food takeaway uses that fall within A3, A4 and A5 use classes will take into account the following:
a) the effectiveness of measures to mitigate litter, undue smell, odours and noise from the premises;
b) the hours of opening, operation and delivery; and
c) where appropriate the proportion of existing A3, A4 and A5 uses within the main town centres.
6.40 Restaurant, café, drinking establishment, and hot food takeaway uses are part of the make up of society; they provide a service and a source for local employment. However they can be the source of environmental nuisance and highway issues. Therefore, there is a need to ensure that any detrimental effect arising from such uses are minimised. Where appropriate full details of proposed flue/ventilation equipment must be in accordance with advice in the Sustainable Urban Design Standards in SPG6c and submitted to the Council for approval.
6.41 A large proportion of non-A1 retail in the town centres are made up of those operations falling within the food and drinks use class. Therefore, to preserve the viability and vitality of the town centres, SPG11c on Town Centre Retail Thresholds sets out a maximum threshold of 20% for each of the main centres. The Council considers that the impact adverse or otherwise of these uses should be considered on the centre as a whole, rather than on frontages. Proposals within local shopping centres and locations outside the main centres will be assessed on their merits.
6.42 There are certain types of uses falling within the A3, A4, and A5 use classes, in particular takeaways and public houses, which can potentially cause a greater degree of environmental problems, such as waste, than other A3, A4, and A5 use classes. Adequate waste storage facilities should be accommodated within the curtilage of the development. The Council will expect a clear statement of measures that will be taken to manage litter arising from the operation of the business in and around the vicinity of the premises to accompany any application (see policy UD7).
6.43 Finally, some A3, A4, and A5 use classes especially those that operate in the evenings may also be affected by other regulatory regimes. Particular attention should be given to the Council's Statement of Licensing Policy (2005) which covers issues around licenses and permission relating to public entertainment, performance, dancing and the sale/consumption of alcohol.
Full document here.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Right but again, how on earth would they find someone to lease them a shop? And again, they will presumably pay minimum wage and so their running costs will be higher.
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I've just heard tales of people turning up and asking to take the lease, not being of the correct political persuasion and being asked for ridiculous premiums. I do appreciate that they're advertised on the open market.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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The protection racket is still going, isn't it? That's probably why nothing but kebab joints spring up on Green Lanes...
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Sorry, Hugh, but it is more than gossip. The Turkish and Kurdish gangs control the heroin trade in this area of north London, and the protection rackets, people trafficking and prostitution are all part of that. They are much happier to have Turkish or Kurdish businesses here, which they can force to pay protection money, rather than, for example, MacDonalds or Starbucks or Burger King, all of whom would call in the CIA or Halliburton if they were threatened. Most of us are don't see it, because they leave us alone, because we aren't Turkish/Kurdish, and they know if they start messing with regular white folks then the Met Police will actually start taking some notice. Haringey Council doesn't care, so long as they get the income from business rates. And there are plenty of other areas of London where other gangs are doing the same thing, while the Met Police spend their time hassling "immigrants" and spying on celebrities to sell information to the tabloid press.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Steady Christopher, you could upset some folk. Not gangsters: I refer to those local property owners concerned with real estate values.
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