Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
A proposal for a real public space at the heart of Harringay
Piazza design for Junction of Green Lanes and St Ann's, please comment on a resident proposal to make it a reality! Could this be considered to be adopted by the Green Lanes Strategy Group?
The square / piazza would work as a pedestrian friendly gateway between the two wards of Harringay and St Ann's. Bus routes would continue as normal and traffic direction would be reversed on Harringay Rd, also making catching a bus safer, crossing St Ann's for the 341.
For the Winter Fair everyone will remember how exciting it was to see the band and pyrotechnics open the Festival, Doctor bike has used the corner of the Salisbury for promoting cycling, it is a a landmark that many people recognise locally or otherwise.
PDF of proposal: green%20lanes%20piazza.pdf
For nursery and school children and parents it would make pedestrian access to green Lanes/nearby children's centre and school travel safer, it would improve the shop frontage for immediate St Ann's shops and reconnect St Ann's with Harringay, where local events can be promoted.
Comments welcome.
Link to Green Lanes Strategy News (January 17, 2012:) - http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/it-s-by-bye-bridge-bann...
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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Does this mean you couldn't turn off Green Lanes into St Anne's Road by the Salisbury?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I think that's the idea. Instead, you'd turn down Harringay Gardens about 200m further north - a small price to pay for a real public space at the centre of Harringay
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But Harringay Road comes out right at the same junction with St Annes road and it is only wide enough to go one way so if they reverse it how do you get off St Annes Road and turn right into Green Lanes? It looks like it will cost a lot to build/develop and the amount of public space gained is going to be tiny - but maybe I am still mis-understanding it.
I live off St Annes Road (just before Chestnuts Park) and it is hard enough already getting home with only one choice of junction (by the Salisbury) because of all the garden's roads being blocked (which I do completely agree with) so I can only see it's going to make traffic flow on Green Lanes worse.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff Amabilino on
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This is a nice idea, however having sat through many meetings with highways engineers on traffic flow at this and surrounding junctions over the years I think that unfortunately it is unlikely to get far.
Could you clarify how your proposal would change the traffic flow at the St Ann's/Green Lanes junction? With Harringay Road reversed you will need a right turn at the top of Salisbury Road with increased congestion down Salisbury Road. If non-bus traffic from Green Lanes is to use Harringay Gardens as Hugh suggests, you'll likely get 5-10 times as much traffic past the residents of the southern part of Harringay Road...
One of the ideas being worked on as part of the OLF2 funding is indeed a narrowing of the junction to increase the pavement space outside the Salisbury, so watch out for the consultation when that starts.
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I can understand widening the pavements outside the Salisbury - there is only one way traffic here so a wider pavement makes sense. As long as traffic continuing north on Green Lanes can still get past traffic turning right into St Anne's Road.
There are always cars parked on both sides of Harringay Road so I can't see there being enough space for a bus to get round there?
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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The amount of traffic going south and then turning into St Ann's is substantial. If all of this is diverted onto Harringay Road (which is residential) it's going to make life pretty tough for the people who live there.
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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Fair comment, its not the happiest of roads, we seem wedded to one way systems these days, generating extra traffic. Within the next ten years that should change back, these changes are like turning a cruiser around, Crouch End copes with two way, bar the odd aggressive driver, bombing down a narrow road but that is the individual, they wouldn't get their license today.
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Are there traffic figures for Harringay Rd, and Salisbury rd, 5-10 times seems an amazing guesstimation. Although 5-10 times must be what the Ladder got since two way traffic was introduced, although not equally shared.
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Colina Rd. traffic would be reversed to flow on to Harringay rd, turning left onto St Ann's, that was the initial vehicle deviation idea.
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Permalink Reply by Louisa Spivack on
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Will the one way system opposite Warham Road, Kimberley Gardens still be operative? I find it a bit dangerous coming out of Woodland Park Road left, then immediate right upto Green Lanes.
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Louisa is that Salisbury Rd ?
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I thought the road was Kimberley Gardens, but I am only going from memory, perhaps it is Salisbury Road. It's the one the 341 goes up to get onto Green Lanes going South to Manor House.
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