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Join with your neighbours to help fix the bin blight on your street

Over on another conversation, I suggested neighbours working together to make a start on fixing the awful bin blight we've been saddled with. Below is the conversation. Do you want to help out on your street?


Reply by Hugh 2 hours ago
Completely agree about the bin sizes, as I've said several times before. I too changed to smaller bins for both standard and recycling. I too encountered a general organisational reluctance to change over the bins. 
My sense is that if we wait for the Council to fix this, we'll be in for a long wait. Would it take too much for a group of people to organise a switch to smaller/fewer bins locally? If say two people took a handful of roads and agreed to door knock to do the following:
1. Ask if people were aware of the small bin / reduced bin number option.
2. Invite them to order the bin configuration of their choice and take a signed order.
We'd then submit/publish a record of people's awareness / feelings about the new system and a whole set of bin orders.
We would need to check what is and isn't possible and exactly what would be required for the Council to act to act. We'd then go armed with materials illustrating the options and the necessary forms to take people's orders there and then. Houses split into flats would need the consent of all households. HMOs would need some thought.
Too daft for words? 
Reply by Hugo Read 1 hour ago
Not too daft at all Hugh - it's a great idea and something I've been toying with myself. I'm happy to help with Pemberton if I get someone else to do the road with me.
I think what we'd need to establish is the 'rules', if they have any, governing what configurations can and can't be done. Then we could make a form with choices that were feasible. Great idea.
Reply by Hugh 1 hour ago
I'd be happy to help with Hewitt.
Reply by ant 1 hour ago
Count me in on Frobisher.
Reply by Hugh 1 hour ago
So, that's three roads. Even if we only did three roads, that'd be potentially significant. It would be nice if we could find another person to help on each of those roads (and others) via the site. Failing that, I could probably find A N Other offline.
Reply by Hugh 1 hour ago
I could also email all site members from Pemberton, Hewitt and Frobisher with an invite, if necessary.
Reply by Hugo Read 1 hour ago
 
Yes, I think we need two people per road. Why don't we try to do it properly though and design a mini questionnaire/form based on feasible options and try and get two people from at least say a dozen roads. I'm happy to help with a questionnaire but I can't do it until October probably. This month is pretty crazy.
Reply by Hugh 58 minutes ago
Yes absolutely do it properly - what I meant by "We would need to check what is and isn't possible and exactly what would be required for the Council to act to act. We'd then go armed with materials illustrating the options and the necessary forms to take people's orders there and then."
October sounds sensible.
Reply by Alison P 24 minutes ago
 
I'd be happy to help with Seymour. October better for me too.

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Permalink Reply by Hugh on September 8, 2012 at 13:09

Would it be in ALL fairness to base criticism on evidence? Yes, probably.

Is our scepticism completely understandable given the evidence we have already from what's been said and done publicly and what's been uttered privately? In all fairness, can you blame us, Alan?

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on September 8, 2012 at 20:18

I'm all for scepticism, but I do like mine healthy. Then simmered slowly in a broth of curiosity; and served on a large bed of crisp, fresh-gathered facts. With just the merest soupçon of theory.

Permalink Reply by Hugh on September 8, 2012 at 21:36

I think curiosity and the need for fresh gathered facts have been satisfied by observation over the past few months. (Though the passage of time may means they're rather more wilted than fresh right now). Theories abound like a plague.

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on September 12, 2012 at 18:23

Hugh, I can't tell you what happens in the inner sanctum, high in the Kobertower.

But I asked around about your "scenario". Neither I nor unimportant Labour Party groundlings of my acquaintance recall hearing even a whisper of an inkling of a hint of some secret plan to move to fortnightly collections of both general and recycled waste.

(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)

Permalink Reply by Peter Chalk on September 11, 2012 at 14:02

Hi Alan, long time no see. While I tend to agree with other local residents about bin size etc, to me the biggest problem is a large number of people not separating their waste which then overflows and isn't collected for two weeks, looks unsightly and starts to smell. Surely the council could drop by and explain how to operate the new system?

Permalink Reply by Nilgun Canver on September 16, 2012 at 1:02
Hi Hugh, as I mentioned on Friday Veolia wanted to give time to residents to be confident about managing their waste. Phase 3 will be implemented end of Oct. There are several options:one can request a smaller bin, larger one or share a bin with a neighbour (I'll soon be sharing a general waste bin with my neighbour). However, the key thing is that you need to be able to manage your waste if you downsize. This is not a good option for HMOs but if need be they can get 2 large ones. This would be happenning any way. Obviously we can support Veolia in this process . If you ever decide to go out we need Veolia engagement officers to accompany the visit. I'm sure they would't mind to pilot it on the Ladder. I'm confident that JF will be happy to join us. Let's plan together. I'll be happy to have a chat over coffee. Nilgun
Permalink Reply by Hugh on September 16, 2012 at 1:06

Great - sounds very constructive. Thanks for the offer. I'm sure the group will be eager to take you up on it.

Permalink Reply by ant on September 16, 2012 at 19:56

If you ever decide to go out we need Veolia engagement officers to accompany the visit.

I thought the point of us residents going out was because the council/veolia aren't doing this themselves??? If the officers are now able to accompany us on the visits cant I then just stay home and leave it to them? I'd be happy to be involved in helping plan what they should be telling residents and how to encourage people to downsize their bins, but I wasn't exactly relishing having to go out visiting people myself so it would be great if they would do that bit.

Permalink Reply by Hugh on September 17, 2012 at 9:38

I take your point, Ant, but I think this was an encouraging response from Cllr Canver and I think we as residents will still have a critical role is seeing through a pilot. I don't relish knocking on doors either and don't really want to spare the time, but if our involvement can see the job done well, I'm willing to stick with it. I'm quite comfortable with the concept of locals taking an active part alongside the Council.

Permalink Reply by ant on September 17, 2012 at 10:59

Yep i agree Hugh so willing to continue on with the plan.

Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on September 8, 2012 at 18:03

Pete, you're onto something here.

Claire Kober has a particularly tight-lipped and bilious looking mugshot of herself which she insists on Haringey People publishing twice per issue. Blown up this would be great for potholes and our never finished Wightman Road footways. Slapping it on a rubbish or recycling bin might deter rather than encourage. Maybe Claire's No.1 Fan, Alan Stanton, could help us on this one by persuading his Leaderene to pose for a range of ever more cheerful, enticing, (dare one say it?) sexier bin portraits. Veolia's Pin-up Miss? Haringey People's Foxy Centrefold?

If only we had considered electing a Labour councillor for Harringay Ward, we wouldn't have to bother Alan.

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on September 16, 2012 at 7:50
Or even have bins with candidates faces around election time. The one with the least non-recyclable rubbish in it wins!

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