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Sainsbury supermarket to open at Wards Corner, will this affect the demolition applciation
I have read in the local newspaper that a new Sainsbury supermarket is to open on the Wards Corner site in West Green Road, N15. Personally I am in two minds as to whether it is good or bad.
On one hand the council wants to destroy all the old Victorian and Edwardian buildings just so it can have a pre-recession model shopping mall with lots of chain stores as it believes in 1960's planning for Tottenham i.e. knock it down and build some concrete high rise to regenerate the area into Croydon and use council tax subsidies to do it. Chain stores buy into that model of thinking.
On the other hand it means the site has now reached all the planning departments goals in that TfL are improving the public realm, the fear of crime is going as all the bright new lighting makes the tube feel more welcoming and now the first chain store on site is due to arrive so the site has started to regenerated and it didn't cost anyone anything as those campaigners have always said. So maybe we get to keep all those jobs, little shops, the market and the subsidy money.
I don't pity all those councillors who supported the developer giving them 1.5 million of tax payer money whilst sacking teachers and now have to vote for demolition in order to final part with that money and for what?
The chain store they always wanted, when all a long they could have kept all that money to help the local schools. Still maybe the planning committee will stop the demolition stone dead now. Well it would be bad for the party career as how do you look your colleagues in face when sacking their kid’s teachers whilst letting a developer with billions have the school cash. Makes bankers look like nicer people.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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As I understand it Clyde, the plan is to for a Sainsbury's Local to open in the premises currently occupied by Fair Deal. That's near the Wards Corner site rather than in it as I understand things. Or, do I have that wrong?
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Permalink Reply by mp85 on
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The Wards Corner site marked for redevelopment stretches from the High Rd all the way back to Suffield Rd. It is the entire block above Seven Sisters tube station, so yes it does indeed cover Fair Deal.
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Permalink Reply by SarahC on
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Seven Sisters is also in the news today as one of the station options for the proposed Crossrail 2.
It may never actually happen, but I'd have thought that would cause a lot more delay and disruption.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Yes Sainsburys are moving into the Fair Deal store on West Green Road (subject to the usual form-fillings). This is one of the four long-established businesses with homes above on that road, that would be bulldozed by Grainger. Fair Deal used to be a Woolworths, it's not a corner shop which is the way Graingers and their pals like to portray the Wards site businesses. There are also five shops on Seven Sisters Road and those along the High Road, that have been there for many years, that could be trashed.
Ditto mixed feelings about a chain store and they can't replace the range of goods that Fair Deal supply, but hopefully FD will be reopening locally in a smaller place. Wonder what Tescos across the High Rd thinks?
I believe there are four more Sainsburys due to open locally, including the one at the Spurs site.
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It does show that the Wards Corner site is a very sort after one by the chains. Which begs the question is why are the burnt out buildings are still empty even when they had full planning permission to be rebuilt as shops and flats? They could have been occupied years ago as social housing.
Planning blight I suppose created by Planning and our councillors in order to pave the way for the destruction of all the buildings. I ven hear that the planning department want to hold the planning application for demolition in secret, probably to hide up this entire subsidy business. I mean why does the council need to give away all this public cash when Sainsbury will move in anyway?
I even hear that members of same planning team are running around the area telling people they are on their day off. My neighbour in the gyratory road said they were asking how people want the site redeveloped, probably so they can drum up support for demolition. They are just running the council.
Anne Lippitt was overheard saying to Boris the whole council had weak leadership. Still that sort of image will just add fuel to the call to get Kobar swapped out of the role but as a Grainger supporter she deserves to go. We need councillors who actually support the local people and majority do not want destruction or that horrible over subsidised mess build over the site.
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Permalink Reply by Candy on
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There is also the more urgent issue with Wards Corner, which is the damning letter from TFL rejecting the Grainger plan as it will endanger the Victoria Line tube station. This is something that we have been saying for years and were laughed at by TFL when we met them years ago. This is a truly scary scenario and one that needs to be addressed before any demolition occurs on this site. But,at least TFL seem to have woken up to this now. Apparently, the booking office is only eight inches below ground and the whole site was problematic when it was originally built, when two people died in the original construction.
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Geez, that is truly terrifying. As is (in a different way) the unimaginative plans for this area in general. It's such a shame they can't work with vendors already there and the community to spruce it up a bit(and, dare I say, Spurs to sort out the station somewhat). Ah well
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Don't be resigned to this. You too, every one, can play your part by objecting strongly to Grainger's new planning application via Haringey's planning portal. Let the planning committte know what you think
search Haringey + view+ planning
Input the planning applicatio reference as follows and write you comment
Ref = HGY/2012/0915
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Hi there
sadly, we noticed that Fair Deal had closed about 3 weeks ago- does anyone know if they will be reopening somewhere else by any chance> It would be a shame to lose a local independent decent shop to Sainsburys altogether...
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Sainsburys are busy behind the shutters creating their new shop on the old Fair Deal site, they hope to open at the latest in the new year. A great vote of confidence from them in the viablity of the site and the Community Plan for restoration, they are spending serious money on this refit, they are hard-headed business people (perhaps compare career politicians) so why would they do this if they thought it would be just for a year or so?
Lagu and Fair Deal are looking for another shop locally, we miss them and hope they find somewhere soon. Suggestions re empty sites welcome.
The WCC application for Judicial Review is going ahead, we are in the queue for our day in court, meanwhile we're fundraising for the lawyers' fees as we are not a multimillion pound company like Grainger who can pay their lawyers out of petty cash. NB Do not confuse fundraising for the campaign with funding the restoration, we have funders in line for that.
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Permalink Reply by James R Grinter on
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Talking of empty property there- why *has* the former Circle Angia office been left in the state it has? I remember it being completely rennovated for them, so what happened? Is that the bunt out building that Clyde refers to?
Seems ironic that a housing authority would leave a building in such a dilapidated state.
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Not sure what you mean by the Circle Anglia office? The two burnt-out buildings on the High Rd next to the market are owned by Grainger. They are covered by conservation area regulations and should be being preserved, despite Grainger applying for permission to demolish them last year. The fire was in the mid-90's, they were the responsibilty of LBH from then until the handover to Grainger.
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