Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Original Plans/Design/Pattern Books wanted for Houses on Rutland Gardens
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone has access to, or could suggest where I could could get access to the original plans or pattern books for the terrace houses on Rutland Road.
Really interested to find out about the original interior/exterior finishing and detailing e.g. specific stain-glass designs, tiling, plaster/timber finishes of the buildings and a bit of history of how they were built.
So far I've just found the builder's name - John Cathles Hill, so any tips, comments or suggestions much appreciated.
Thanks,
Gordon
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Permalink Reply by michaelw on
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We have the original lease for our house on Rutland Gardens, but no plans etc I'm afraid.
Michael
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Hi Gordon
This might be of interest to you see below
I put it out o the GRA e-group (Gardens Residents Association) last week
Bruce Castle Museum will hold lots of info on your house.
See below event this weekend
Also dont forget the newly published Historical book on Green Lanes and Harringay this was being sold at the GL Festival and Xmas Fair - Cafe Lemon still have some I think and Rob at Tao sport will have some too on Green Lanes
Hope this helps
Andy - GRA
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Dear All
A reminder of our forthcoming annual Local History Fair for Haringey next week. There will be stalls from a range of community and local history groups for you to visit and to network with, as well as a programme of talks running throughout the day. The Search Room will also be open for visitors (but not for research) and our café will be open too for light refreshments.
So please come along and find out more about your borough!
We look forward to seeing you.
Haringey Local History Fair
Saturday 18 February, 11am – 5pm
Want to find out more about Haringey’s history but just
don’t know where to start? Well, this is the Fair for you.
Stalls with experts on hand to help.
The theme for the Talks Programme is the Year 1912:
11.10am Edwardian Tottenham High Road In Old
Photographs by Chris Protz, local historian & author
11.50am The Year 1912 (part 1): Tottenham’s
Connections With The Antarctic Expeditions by Jenny
Brown, local historian, & Deborah Hedgecock, Curator
12.30pm The Year 1912 (part 2): People, Stories &
News from Hornsey, Wood Green & Tottenham
by Clare Stephens, Archivist
1 - 2pm Lunch break
2pm Lordship Rec - Past, Present and Future by
Dave Morris and Joan Curtis, Friends of Lordship Rec
PLEASE NOTE sadly, the following talk has had to be changed at 2.40pm
Hornsey's Pioneering Council Housing by
John Hinshelwood, Hornsey Historical Society
Instead, there will be an activity and presentation based on the Tottenham Outrage!
3.10 – 3.40pm tea break
3.40pm Harris Lebus – Manufacturing Furniture in
1912 Tottenham by Deborah Hedgecock, Curator
4.20pm Fred Fisk’s Tottenham by Robert Waite,
Deputy Curator
The Search Room will be open 11am - 4pm.
Ask our staff about researching local history and family history.
Please note: this is a chance to ask questions, and
not a time for research
Deborah Hedgecock
Curator
Bruce Castle Museum
Haringey Culture, Libraries and Learning
Lordship Lane, London N17 8NU
Tel: 020 8808 8772
Fax: 020 8808 4118
www.haringey.gov.uk
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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No plans I'm afraid Gordon, but we have developed the single biggest resource on Harringay history available - head over to the history group for more. We also collectively put together the first history of Harringay - all properly researched and referenced. For whatever reason this had been previously oddly neglected and we were just a passing mention in the histories of Hornsey & Tottenham. So lots for you to get your teeth into!
I know that someone's posted on the Gardens house plans before, but I'm bejiggered if I can find it. They may for some reason have deleted it.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon Curtis on
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Thanks for the pointers, all useful and certainly gives me some starting points to look into further.
G
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Permalink Reply by Paul W Kelly on
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Hi Gordon, I've long been searching for anything I can find on the Family of John Cathles Hill. His Brother Robert Cathles Hill was my great grandfather. My quest has long been to find the final resting place of my Great grandfather. I understand he was killed in the Boer war. But just can't find anything other than heresay. In any case my searches have lead me all over lots of different UK web sites and not once have I ever seen any information on Harringay houses, apart from John's company or companies built many of them. In Australia where I live plans of houses are usually held by the local council offices, but given your house is over 100years old it's probably not likely a local council would hold such documents, but that wouldn't stop me asking them . Cheers PK Melb Aust.
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Hi Paul, Were you aware of this little snippet? I'd be very interested to learn what you do have on JCH. I did a wee bit of research on him and wrote a short article as part of writing a online history of Harringay on Wikipedia, but I imagine you have a much greater wealth of knowledge on him.
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Hi Hugh, I've seen the articles on Wikipedia. I had them change the info about the London Brick Company as they had some wig as having found it in 1899. I directed wikipedia at http://www.uea.ac.uk/is/collections/hillguide, which are papers belonging to J.E.B. Hill. These papers had some newspaper cuttings about John Cathles Hill in relation to the London Brick company.
As to general family Info to my knowledge Robert Hill(JCH's father) was a Master wright and lived at East Pond Park in Auchterhouse. I am confident that all the male children were skilled in the carpentry arts. my Great grandfathers Marriage certificate shows him as being a carpenter in 1880 when he arrived in Melbourne. He married my great grandmother in Carlton in 1883. They must have been in love, because Robert was Protestant and Mary(real name Bridget Mary Shea) was a Catholic and the daughter of an Irish convict. At that time being related to a convict in Australia was a big black mark on a families name, so people then usually denied any such relationship. These days no one gives a toss. lol. Last time I counted I had four convicts, my children have five convicts and my granddaughter has six.
As to what happened to Robert C Hill, John C Hill's brother I believe he may have been a member of the Royal Scots detachment in South Africa. When and how he arrived is any ones guess. I had at one time thought the reason he came to Australia and later South Africa may have been to investigate potential property developments. In any case Robert was killed sometime late in 1899, barely off the ship. As I understand it the Royal Scots arrived in S.A. around Oct 1899. I do know that there was a strong feeling of support for the Military amongst the Hill/Cathles families.
One other piece of information I have is that the Cathles family is closely related to the Bruce family, coincidentally there are a lot of Robert Bruce's in the family tree that was compiled by Lillian Malcom.
Cheers Paul Kelly
Melb Australia
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