Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Tottenham riot ... 'absolutely manic'
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"Tottenham has been villified, ignored and left to rot over the years."
I've just spotted your comment Tindara, and given the rapidly changing events, I wonder if you've since modified your view. Or do you still think that absolutely nothing at all has been done, tried, built, restored in the last few decades?
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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More snippets from the Lanes.
I learned that the Harringay Traders' Association is this morning meeting with the borough police, no doubt discussing what, if any, further arrangements might be required. I will update you if I hear more.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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David Lammy was visibly upset and angry this morning on giving an interview to press on Tottenham High St. Claire Kober (leader of the council) also spoke and was clearly in a state of shock.
These are criminal elements that have 'ripped the heart of this (Tottenham) community', to quote Lammy. I take note of Pamish's comment here regarding people turning up in their cars to fill them up with looted goods from Tottenham Hale Retail Park shops; that is crazy.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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I'm just so, so relieved that Anette was nowhere near londonDerry Bogside in 1968, my home town in 1969, Derry(again) in 1972, East Belfast many times since, Soweto or Sharpeville anytime from 1964 to 1990, Amritsar in 1919 or even Hama 2011.
No no (n)Anette, not talking just rebellious louts or freeloaders; cheated underclasses, maybe.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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What defines an underclass? Can they own new cars? Or only if those cars are bought using dodgy money?
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No, not into definitions, Pamish. Just reacting to Anette's all too predictable over-reactions. Yes, as you and Laura (below) suggest, there are times when, like John Major, we must 'condemn a little more and understand a little less'. But: happy, contented, reasonably educated, employed people with a real stake in an industry-rich community they can call their own and their parents' and their children's simply do not riot or loot. Which is why I included my home town of Crossmaglen (1920 - 1998) in my list above.
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Permalink Reply by Danzigger on
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Call me naive - but doesn't everyone have a chance to be, to some extent at least "happy, contented, reasonably educated, employed people with a real stake in an industry-rich community"? Did the people out robbing TVs and trainers really never get any chances in life? Or did they have chances to be educated and to work hard and live honest lives which they rejected and continue to reject because they'd rather steal stuff than earn it?
Perhaps they are just lazy, selfish greedy people with no respect for our society?
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Permalink Reply by Laura W on
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Yes, I pretty much agree. I've lived in a number of places in my time - NE Brazil for example - where most people had NONE of the options that we all have here, however imperfect (free education, free healthcare, a welfare system) and that is true of many other places in the world.The situation was truly dire for the poorest there and yes, I could see why people turned to crime in some circumstances. I came back to the UK feeling - god, that we are SO much luckier in this country than we know. And what do people do? p*ss it up the wall and moan about how little they have and how let down they are by society, by the government, the police, by 'them' out there. Boo hoo, poor me. Guess that's all down to perception though, of what 'deprived' actually means. Frankly, I'd say robbing places for food or having to scrabble through the bins at the age of 5 so you can eat because there are no other options is kind of different from being so deprived you haven't got the latest mobile or trainers. It disgusts me, frankly. (Sorry - rant over)
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Oh dear.. how disappointing...
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