Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Uk Forests for sale?
Tags for Forum Posts: Environment, Government, Privatisation, Forests, forests
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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With interest rates so low a forest is an extremely good investment. I hope they get a proper price for them.
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Permalink Reply by Omotn on
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Apparently only 4.5% of England is covered by forest (vs 25 - 28% in Europe). Apparently only 30% of English forest is publicly owned (figures taken from the Gaurdian links). So only 1.35% of the surface area of England might be at risk. But DEFRA says 'Changes in ownership will not affect the public's rights of access or the environmental protections that are already in place,' So very little is at risk, apparently. The petition on 38 degrees emotive claptrap.
The main reason I can think of for opposing the proposals is that this government is as bad as the last in speaking before it thinks, cf Child Benefit. So the emotive claptrap approach night at least give us a chance to think.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Since when has England not been part of Europe?
Let's hope your other comments are more accurate than your 'Geography'.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not Europe.
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Merry Christmas John D, Let's hope Santa brings you lots of delusions for your collection. And maybe some planes for your aircraft carrier.
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Any hair you can split, I can split finer / I can split any hair finer than you. :-)
Merry Christmas Stephen
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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They say it won’t change the way they are operated because it’s more convincing argument, it isn’t we know it will change in time and the public will be charged, restricted or banned.
Then they will argue for golf courses or eco-village tourism to be built, as the developers need to recoup their investment. What next, beaches, local parks, the waterways and canals? I know different groups own
these areas but the theories are still there. We have many national assets that
should remain our assets for future generations not sold off.I don’t like the constant selling off of the family jewellery to find short-term
financial fixes, as successive governments like to do. If people like Gideon Osborne,
Philip Green (who helped government with fiscal policy yet doesn’t even
‘reside’ in this country for obvious crooked reasons) and large companies paid
the right amount of tax, we wouldn’t have to sell everything off.England is part of Europe last time I looked at a map, politically moving towards the US but landmass in Europe.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"Am guessing we won't be allowing . . . "
"From what I have read . . ."
Well I'd prefer not to guess. So please tell us what you've read which supports the very reassuring conclusions you are drawing. Links to specific material - with website addresses - would be welcome. Though I'm happy to buy a reasonably priced book or two after the holiday. Or borrow them from Haringey libraries. (I'm strongly hoping we'll still have all of them open.)
"No point in owning assets which aren't doing anything for you."
And what exactly does this mean applied, for example, to forests, moorland, lakes, beaches and coastline - oh, and city parks?
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Mr Hoyle, I wasn't asking you to reassure us. You've already done this.
"From what I have read no one is proposing disbanding the Forestry Commission or relinquishing the tight controls on development, or indeed how woodland is managed. The only people who can cut down large swathes of woodland are the government when they want to build a motorway or a trainline. You can't chop down a single tree without planting another."
Clearly you've read something to base these reassurances. So please tell the rest of us - so we can read it too.
You want to know why selling off a capital asset to fund current income may be a "tricky concept". As someone who works in the financial sector I thought you might have understood the risks involved.
But in any case, do you really see no difference between owning a car and owning a forest, moorland, or beach?
Do you know about the history of the National Trust? Set up in 1895 to protect open spaces and buildings - under threat by private developers.
Do you recall the part of English land law based on the feudal system of entail - devised so "great" families could prevent short-term selling-off of family estates?
I quoted Harold Macmillan's famous "family silver" speech because it seems very much in this traditional Tory approach. Or perhaps as a Party candidate under forty you think this type of conservatism is outmoded "yada yada"?
If forests are for sale, what shouldn't be sold-off? Must beaches be maintained at the public expense? What do you think about privately-owned roads and local parks? Where would you draw the line?
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Forests, as I said, are a great investment. New Zealand is getting into the carbon sequestration business which involves planting loads to useless Eucalypts.
Forests are low risk and high return. Nobody will be chopping them down without managing properly. I half expect people to be getting kicked out if their houses so landlords can plant trees!
As I said, I hope we get a good price for these valuable assets.
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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Whats the point of putting up a reasoned argument when you are just waiting to attack anything thats said.
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Because that's what governments do Will, the Tories set precedents in the 80's and 90's and New Labour carried on privatising and it’s ‘normal’ cross colour government policy to go down to Cash Convertors for short term gain, except we never get our assets back. What happens when
future governments have no assets to sell?Apparently the trees on Green Lanes opposite Beresford Road were not suppose to be cut down, but guess what they were on Easter Sunday!
If Mr Fatwad wants to invest in forests, fine, then buy some privately owned agricultural land and plant some trees and increase the forests and tree count in this country as it use to be before all the trees were cut down for farming.
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