Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Update on plans of where to spend TfL's £1.2m for Harringay
In my last post on this subject which covered the first meeting, I wrote "This really is a great opportunity to make some significant quality of life enhancing changes to our neighbourhood."
That meeting was on 13th October. Last week, on 24th, there was a follow up meeting. We were presented with a summary of the first meeting interpreting what the consultants described as "what people think they want". (Yup, I picked them up on that one.).
You'll see the range of ideas covered is quite broad, but then we were encouraged to be broad. We were also told to think about plans for the Green Lanes Corridor, not just the road itself.
At last week's meeting we were presented with three plans. Copies of the diagrams representing them are attached below. In each case I was at pains to get a very clear articulation from the consultants of what the objective is for each plan. I have recorded these below. The plans are:
1. Duckett's Common
Primary objective: Though not clear from the diagram, the primary objective is "to create a safer" pedestrian crossing at Frobisher Road".
Secondary objective: To create more public space (in the area opposite the Queen's head, by moving the point that the feeder road from West Green Road joins Green Lanes).
2. Salisbury/Warham Street improvements
Primary objective: "a better shopping environment"
This plan involves widening pavements between Hewitt and Warham. Buses will be prioritised. This will have the effect of constricting the flow of all other traffic along Green Lanes.
3. Sainsbury's
Primary objective: Ease traffic flow (by eating in to the Arena Car park sufficiently so as to 'indent' the bus stop)
Secondary objectives:
a. to make it easier for pedestrians to move about (through shifting crossing opposite McDonalds to north of the Bridge and by improving the crossing at the Green Lanes end of Williamson Road).
b. to improve the entrance to Harringay
So that's yer £1.2m gone. At the first meeting expectations were raised that the safety, quality of life and health issues created by high levels of traffic in residential streets could be addressed.
This time round - who knows why - all options on that score have been closed down.
I'm aware that the Green Lanes crossing at Frobisher has been a key concern for local people fro a number of years. So that one gets a tick from me. But, actually the major money in that plan will be spent creating a public space. Very nice; laudable idea, but this is in in an area where we already have public spaces Duckett's Common and Green Gate Common. More would be nice but are not a priority at that particular point. And for that reason, newpublicspace, you're fired.
Wider pavements and stuff between Hewitt & Warham. Again nice, but not my priority.
Moving the bus stop in? I can live with that as a reflection of resident's priorities. Since the council messed up that end of Harringay we've needed something improved. This will help somewhat. And I can see the sense of easing/changing pedestrian movements in that area. Sure why not.
So in summary I see a couple of nuggets that reflect what residents have said in several surveys that they want, but I don't see these plans taken as a whole as reflecting the priorities of local people.
Ach, who cares.....only £1.2m......it's not our money......let's just let them spend it how they want, eh.
Anyway, let's try something new to comment on & discuss this issue:
Vote and comment on the plans and add your own ideas here
Tags for Forum Posts: consultation, green lanes corridor, harringay regeneration 2012-13, traffic
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Permalink Reply by E. F. Salzman on
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how many do we need on petition and how many do we have? And by when?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Attached is a traffic calming plan drawn up some time ago by our ward sergeant, Jono Clay-Michael.
I must stress that this is not published in Jono's professional capacity. Although informed by his many years' experience in traffic and neighbourhood policing, it is a personal view and should not be taken to represent the views of the Metropolitan Police.
For me, this document reflects much more closely the local residents' concerns. It has been provided to the consultants involved in the Green Lane Corridor project.
Given that the funding is for the Green Lanes Corridor and not just Green Lanes, I'd very much like to know why this plan, or any part of it, ore anything seeking to achieve the same aims, hasn't been included.
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JCM Ladder traffic plan.pdf, 307 KB
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Thanks, Hugh, for posting this and to Jono for the thoughtful detail of the plan. I was a bit sceptical earlier in the year when Jono outlined the Wightman Road section of it. It seems now so convincing that maybe all we need now is a mass revolt of residents in its support while Jono is our Sergeant and before those funds are finally allocated to their narrow definition of "Harringay Green Lanes Corridor".
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Before anyone brings it up, any 'waste of time' in publishing it was my time used in doing so and not Jono's.
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I'd like to know too.
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PS My husband isn't on this list although he's in London just now and I signed for both of us so that's two people I hope!
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Permalink Reply by Maddy on
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Jono - having looked at your plans, it seems more than likely to me that Umfreville Road would turn into a permanent rat run with traffic trying to avoid the lights on Green Lanes. Slowing down the junction at Alroy/Endymion would only create a backlog of traffic. Why are we the unlucky ones not spared by the positioning of these "gates"?
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I'd imagine there a ways round this Maddy. Either the Wightman gate could be moved further south or the end of Umfreville could be blocked.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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At the last Transport Forum I attended, we were told that LIP funds were allocated for the rebuilding of the Alroy / Wightman bridge.
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Permalink Reply by Germana on
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I am not an expert but I quite like Jono's proposal. It certainly sounds far more convincing and a better use of scarce funds than what is currently being proposed. I would add that Wightman road could have a cycle route too...which would be handy for those of us who are scared to cycle on Green Lanes.
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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To make it easier for HoL users, we have closed another discussion on this topic and merged the conversations here. Please see £1.2m Road Scheme to divert Green Lanes Traffic on to Ladder? for other comments on this issue.
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