Haringey's Cemeteries for sale?

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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on July 7, 2010 at 9:57

... without any consultation with the borough's residents ...

Shouldn't the current resident occupiers/long term tenants rise up and demand their own consultation before the Council flogs their management over their heads? Expecting the HFRA to fight their battles is just another symptom of the dependency culture they've grown accustomed to even beyond the grave.

btw, shouldn't 'Recreation Services' be Re-Creation Services. That would really set them on their feet.

Permalink Reply by Omotn on July 7, 2010 at 12:45

I'd have thought not having a consulatation would eb the ideal way to avoid controversy.

4. Recommendations
4.1 Consider the options appraisal set out in the feasibility report and approve the
following.
4.2 That the Council ceases to directly provide crematory and cemetery services at
Enfield Crematorium.
4.3 That the Council moves to a leasehold agreement for the Enfield Crematorium site,
with a specialist operator.
4.4 That subject to recommendation 4.7, the Enfield Crematorium and Cemetery be
disposed of as a going concern for best consideration, and delegated authority is
given to the Director of Corporate Resources and to agree the terms of such disposal.
4.5 That approval is given to the disposal on the open market of 1 and 2 Grenville
Cottages located at the north-east end of the Enfield Crematorium site.
4.6 That the Council continues to provide services and manage provision at Wood Green
and Tottenham cemeteries.
4.7 That prior to any disposal, officers progress and secure a detailed Planning
Permission for the new burial provisions at Enfield Crematorium Cemetery.



Haow much woiuld you pay for a loss making business reuiring millions in investment.

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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on July 7, 2010 at 14:26

Thanks, Omotn for posting the full report and correcting the misleading impression that the "cabinet" were going to discuss the disposal of all of Haringey's cemeteries within the Borough.

Tottenham Hale ward councillor

Permalink Reply by Omotn on July 7, 2010 at 14:34

"cabinet" - why is this word in quotes?

Is there not a facility to recycle corpses at a more local council facility. Seeems to me that compost would be the ideal outcome for my rotting remains.

Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on July 7, 2010 at 14:41

Well, PeterPiper is advertising a wormery in another thread.

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on July 7, 2010 at 15:29

Why the quotes, Omotn?

Because "cabinet" is part of the pomposity affecting some councillors who puff themselves up by using Parliamentary terms: "front bench"; "this side of the chamber"; "the opposition benches".

Also because it's part of the highly dubious process of remaking local government in the image of national government. And even worse, the Presidential style adopted by Tony Blair. The patronage now enjoyed by Mayors and Council leaders reminds me of the old joke about Mrs Thatcher and her cabinet going out for a meal.

Permalink Reply by Omotn on July 8, 2010 at 12:17

Or, ... Belgian undertakers plan to dissolve dead and flush them into sewag...

Permalink Reply by alex on July 10, 2010 at 16:53

It's curious that the agenda item for this now says:

19. ENFIELD CREMATORIUM BURIAL PROVISION AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
(Report of the Director of Adults, Culture and Community Services - To be introduced
by the Cabinet Member for Adult and Community Services): To provide an
assessment of the current performance and investment needs of the service; to
identify options to secure future viable and sustainable service delivery; and to
approve recommended options for the Council to cease its Bereavement Services
operation and dispose of the Enfield Crematorium site.

whereas earlier in the week it said:

19. ENFIELD CREMATORIUM BURIAL PROVISION AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
(Report of the Director of Adults, Culture and Community Services - To be introduced
by the Cabinet Member for Adult and Community Services): To provide an
assessment of the current performance and investment needs of the service; to
identify options to secure future viable and sustainable service delivery; and to
approve recommended options for the Council to cease its Bereavement Services
and dispose of its three operational sites.

and the report said:

10. Consideration of Wood Green and Tottenham Cemeteries

In relation to Wood Green and Tottenham Cemeteries, they advise the following:
In the light of the information provided it is apparent that the most sustainable and
profitable element of the Council’s current operation is the crematoria and cemetery
at Enfield. Wood Green has potential for a good income stream in the immediate
future but will then be dependent on the less certain income from re-openings.
Tottenham is already in this situation.

Having regard to the foregoing and the appendix reports it is considered that the best
option for the Council in order to secure the long term future of it’s service can only
be to offer, by tender, a package of the three sites based upon a minimum of a 15
year agreement subject to annual review, the current surplus, the extension potential
and with provision for inflation. The Lodge House on the crematorium site is regarded
as beneficial to the service and should be included within the package offered.

anyone explain this?

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on July 11, 2010 at 0:18

I'm told that there were various versions of the agenda. However, the version now online is the current proposal - which does not include disposal of the Tottenham and Wood Green cemeteries.

In any case, I'm also told that the whole report will now be deferred till September.

I hope that's helpful.

(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)

Permalink Reply by Hugh on November 17, 2010 at 9:51

See update here.