Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
More rush hour seats promised for local commuters but bigger maintenance facility on Wightman
Train operator First Capital Connect (FCC) is adding 11 trains to its fleet that will see new services come online and current services offer longer trains at peak hours.
The new timetable will improve services to Moorgate from Bowes Park, Alexandra Palace, Hornsey, Harringay and Finsbury Park stations, among others, says FCC.
To cope with the extra trains, FCC needs to expand its maintenance facility by Wightman Road, south of Hornsey rail station, Harringay as Councillor Alexander has flagged up
The upgraded services and the maintenance facility, yet to be approved by Haringey Council, will create 28 new jobs.
The extra trains mean staff will have to clean the interiors 24 hours per day from a new 125-metre platform, protected by a canopy, that will sit next to the existing maintenance shed.
Roger Perkins, FCC spokesman, said: "The very modest train cleaning facility is part of a major plan to introduce thousands of new seats to our rush-hour commuter services into London this December.
"We've listened to our customers and know that overcrowding is one of their biggest concerns. By securing an extra 41 train carriages we will be able to provide new services and lengthen others - in many cases doubling capacity on trains."
Services running against the rush hour commute will also be improved.
EXTRA TRAIN SERVICES
BOWES PARK: 3 new six-carriage AM services, one existing service doubled in length
ALEXANDRA PALACE: 1 new AM service, 1 existing service doubled in length; 3 new six-carriage PM services, 2 existing services doubled in length
HORNSEY & HARRINGAY: 1 new AM service, 1 existing service doubled in length; 2 existing PM services doubled in length
FINSBURY PARK: 5 new six-carriage AM services to Moorgate or King's Cross, 6 existing services doubled in length; 3 new six-carriage PM services, 6 existing services doubled in length, 1 existing service upped from four to six carriages.
The new timetable will improve services to Moorgate from Bowes Park, Alexandra Palace, Hornsey, Harringay and Finsbury Park stations, among others, says FCC.
To cope with the extra trains, FCC needs to expand its maintenance facility by Wightman Road, south of Hornsey rail station, Harringay as Councillor Alexander has flagged up
The upgraded services and the maintenance facility, yet to be approved by Haringey Council, will create 28 new jobs.
The extra trains mean staff will have to clean the interiors 24 hours per day from a new 125-metre platform, protected by a canopy, that will sit next to the existing maintenance shed.
Roger Perkins, FCC spokesman, said: "The very modest train cleaning facility is part of a major plan to introduce thousands of new seats to our rush-hour commuter services into London this December.
"We've listened to our customers and know that overcrowding is one of their biggest concerns. By securing an extra 41 train carriages we will be able to provide new services and lengthen others - in many cases doubling capacity on trains."
Services running against the rush hour commute will also be improved.
EXTRA TRAIN SERVICES
BOWES PARK: 3 new six-carriage AM services, one existing service doubled in length
ALEXANDRA PALACE: 1 new AM service, 1 existing service doubled in length; 3 new six-carriage PM services, 2 existing services doubled in length
HORNSEY & HARRINGAY: 1 new AM service, 1 existing service doubled in length; 2 existing PM services doubled in length
FINSBURY PARK: 5 new six-carriage AM services to Moorgate or King's Cross, 6 existing services doubled in length; 3 new six-carriage PM services, 6 existing services doubled in length, 1 existing service upped from four to six carriages.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Specifically, the proposed cleaning shed / platforms will be directly behind Wightman Road Nos 297 to 339. 24h/7 day rolling stock movements will affect residents much further south along Wightman.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Just what I'd begun to surmise, John. They'll be parking in my back garden waiting their turn.
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Permalink Reply by Arkady on
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Pleased about the service upgrade. Just wish the Moorgate service ran later and at weekends. I wish London Overground would take over the stretch from Moorgate to FP, at least.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Hmm...perhaps the one is needed to enable the other, but I'm sceptical. Is there a real relationship or is this about putting pressure on the Planning Committee?
The inclusion of the fact that 28 jobs will be created suggests that this may be more to do with influence than a real service requirement.
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It ain't necessarily so crazy, Will. This public wanting more services running later and more frequently probably don't all live cheek by jowl 24/7 with the ever noisier, more intrusive, 24/7 infra- & super-structures. Are you suggesting that those who live nearest but perhaps make least use of these 'improving' services shouldn't have a say in how the 'improvements' may impinge on our waking and sleeping. Yes, the railway was there before Wightman Road evolved, and I suppose it's less smoky nowadays, but we're not loco just because we'd like less crazy locomotion.
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There might be demand. A direct service serving Moorgate-Old-Street-Essex Road-Hi&I-Drayton Park-FP – some of those stations aren’t on the tube, and it would be great to have a direct service. It would make getting back from Shoreditch at night that little bit less of a pain, for instance.
Now if that regular direct service went at least one stop further to Harringay Rail I’d be in heaven – no walking or changing at Finsbury Park (as well as KX).
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I'd also add that I'd be there's be more demand than on the Gospel Oak-Barking line, which runs until nearly midnight but has very few passengers at that time (at the moment).
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Indeed, I use the GO-B line often to get to and from Kilburn. Yes, every half an hour would do (at first, demand is rapidly increasing on the Overland as people start to realise how useful it is post-refurb). I'm not saying it's a massive walk, I do it every day. What I am saying is that I would prefer to get a direct service from, say, Old Street to Harringay, than having to go a less direct route, change once (involving a big walk at KX from underground to overland) or twice if you change at FP, or change once underground at KX and have a 20 minute walk from FP. Understandable I should think.
If London Overground had a half hourly service on that line up until 12 I'd bet it would get a lot of use. Many people seem not to know that you can use that line at all because it's not an 'official' TFL route and doesn't appear on most tube maps. And to have it at weekends! Bliss. Especially weekends like this when the Vic, Pic and Overland via Dalston are all down!
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Starting next year there will be a direct service from Shoreditch High Street to Highbury & Islington, which should make this kind of journey a lot easier.
TfL/The mayor doesn't have any money to spend on taking over additional train services (or indeed, anything else) beyond what's already budgeted, so the prospect of London Overground taking over more services than those already planned is about zero in the short term.
You can see a cost benefit analysis of expanding the Moorgate service hours here (5 MB PDF - see Option 1.5, page 150). The best hope is if there's increase in weekend intercity services at King's Cross they'd be forced to run Moorgate trains to free capacity at KX.
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