Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Did this really happen on Wednesday?
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Permalink Reply by dubmill
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Earlier this week, I walked around Chestnuts Park, then down Hermitage Road, along the perimeter of the hospital, and I noticed a helicopter hovering for a very long time, apparently above that area. I wondered why at the time. This explains it. NB: The article says it was on Monday, and I think it was Monday afternoon when I saw the helicopter.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Mahoney
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Property rights are the cornerstone of our society. If they are not respected and enforced where necessary then society breaks down.
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Permalink Reply by Niall
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It is true that the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) includes the right to property (Article 17), but then Article 25 includes the right to adequate housing.
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.These are all conditional rights (unlike absolute rights, such as the right to life or that nobody should be subject to slavery or torture). To elevate the right to property above other rights begs the question, what of ‘the men of no property’? Hunger, homelessness and despair seem a greater cause of societal breakdown than wealth.
The sin of property we do disdain
No man has any right to buy and sell the earth for private gain
By theft and murder, they took the land
Now everywhere the walls rise up at their command
They make the laws to serve them well
The clergy dazzle us with heaven or they damn us into hell
We will not worship the God they serve
The God of greed who feeds the rich while poor men starve
The World Turned Upside Down
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The social net exists for eligible people in such scenarios. Whether it is adequate or sufficiently funded is another question.
Homelessness, either elected or imposed, is no excuse for stealing other people's property (ie. occupying their buildings). If it were, there would need to be a process to fairly allocate private property to the homeless. How would that work? Would you give up your property to house them?
Regardless, there is no excuse for assaulting Police or launching projectiles on them. Tear gas and batons would have been an appropriate response in my view.
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'Tear gas and batons would have been an appropriate response in my view.'
So you know the story of the Diggers in 1649 on St Georges Hill then... plus ça change plus c'est la même chose.
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I can confirm dubmill's observation about a helicopter circling the area between east of the Arena Shopping Park and the Seven Sisters area for well over an hour this week, I think on Monday.
At first I wondered if it was a Hasidim-related incident after recent London events, given the general area. Not so.
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