Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Remove Parking From the Green Lanes
📣🌳🚌 *Make the Green Lanes cleaner, safer and more welcoming* 🌳🚌📣
The Green Lanes could be so much better - easier to walk, quicker by bus, safer to cross, and a more inviting place to spend time. *Removing parking on both sides from Harringay Green Lanes Station to Turnpike Lane would open the street up* creating clearer views, smoother journeys, and a greener, more attractive high street.
Following on from the public meeting last week, we want to show the Council that we care.
📋Please add your name to this petition for a brighter, safer and more vibrant Green Lanes.
https://www.change.org/p/make-green-lanes-safe-clean-and-welcoming-...
There's a petition that's just been started about the traffic on green lanes. https://www.change.org/p/make-green-lanes-safe-clean-and-welcoming-...
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Permalink Reply by Jamie Harper on
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Declan, how much time did you spend thinking this plan through? My feeling is that the issue is deserving of a lot more thought and consideration.Â
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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It’s been under consideration, discussed at public meetings and had proposals drawn up and filed away a number of times since I moved here in 1984.  Some action after 40 odd years would be good.Â
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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HACKNEY is literally streets ahead.
And in transport policy, our neighbouring Borough is least one decade ahead.
- For years, Hackney had the benefit of an expert at Cabinet level
- A Chartered Environmentalist
- A mover and a shaker
In the field of Climate, Environment & Transport, among the Haringey Cabinet & Haringey council staff unfortunately there is no one of the calibre of the excellent former Hackney Cllr. Jon Burke.
Would that there were!
Unless there is a full-scale peasants' rebellion at the "rebel" Borough, we are doomed to years of more of the same.
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Jon Burke resigned in disgrace just days after Hackney Council announced that no fewer than 21 individual complaints against him were being referred to their Standards Committee. He did the meme on December 31st and said he was leaving to 'spend more time with his family'.
Despite his departure he continued to advise Mike Hakata on LTNs and traffic issues in Haringey.Â
You do us a service Clive in constantly reminding us that no matter how negatively we regard the current policy makers at Haringey Council, there are those with even less of a clue sniping loudly from the sidelines.
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Mete Coban, as an adult, constructed a complex and entirely fictional past as an elite footballer. His lies led to him being profiled by a Turkish newspaper after he claimed to be Real Madrid's latest signing. A fantasist and a fraud. Both the Times and the Daily Mail ran stories on it earlier this year. Second chances though, right?
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I think I’d resign after receiving a letter like this. Makes you wonder who was sending in the complaints?
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From memory, the more interesting discussion at the time was around who wrote the note.
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A written and delivered threat to kill is merely an "interesting discussion" ?
All that a few in the pro-traffic lobby have been able to contribute, are threats of violence and criminal damage.
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Given Burke's many deceptions and outright falsehoods, yes there was plenty of discussion about the 'threat'.Â
As for contributions, we're all still mouth agape in anticipation of yours Clive... or are we really only going to get an 'it's not rocket science'?Â
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Transport policy is not rocket science but in Haringey (with the current crew) it's difficult if not politically impossible to effect progress.
The factors involved are politics and psychology.
The addiction to cars and car-use in urban areas is comparable to the addiction to nicotine or stronger substances. We see this in some of the hatred and hysterical reactions to any attempt to curtail car-use.
I witnessed a howling mob of anti-LTN persons trying to storm a Full Council meeting. They had been whipped up by the Tottenham Conservatives.
I've owned and used cars and motorcycles for most of my life and they will always have a place in rural areas. But the case of unlimited use in built-up areas, nay, Victorian infrastructure steadily reduces. There are simply too many cars.
It took many years of government action to drive down the incidence of smoking and the same is proving true of the powerful addiction to cars.
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I remember lots of vicious abuse of mr Burke on twitter along the lines of the note. The level of literacy in the note is typical for the types who regard any minor form of traffic planning to enable pedestrian or cyclist safety as an affront.Â
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Elizabeth: yes indeed.
Among those who dislike low traffic neighbourhoods, there is a minority whose ugly characteristic is personal abuse and personalised attack.
This is consonant with the threats of violence and criminal damage. It is tough for those individuals who are the subject of such attacks, including death threats.
However, this conduct is all that some of them have to offer and it reflects the lack of reasoned argument by some who oppose more liveable neighbourhoods. I'm reluctant to quote Margaret Thatcher approvingly, but this seems relevant:Â
I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
Jon Burke (website) doubtless has the scars but he is unbowed. He and many others understand that our environment needs more attention.
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