Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Police arrest, then release, Haringey Councillors
TWO Haringey Councillors were arrested and released in connection with a demonstration in support of the ‘Defend Our Juries’ campaign.
The Councillors' action stands in contrast with the earlier suppression of any discussion about Gaza in council, by the current Haringey Council leader (i.e. by Kier Starmer's local New Labour representative).
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The Police action stands in contrast to the apparent absence of action in an unrelated matter involving Haringey Councillor(s) and/or a council employee. i.e. the fraud alleged in at least one property deal.
Over a 36-month period, Haringey Council lost at least £10,000,000 in irregular transactions. Plural.
In 2022, council leader Peray Ahmet belatedly but properly, agreed to an external investigation.
That led—a year later—to the [pre-redacted] Buss Report.
More than one Councillor volunteered to be interviewed.
The Council Chief Executive confirmed that the "full" version of the Buss Report was sent to the Met Police.
However—more than a year ago—the Ham & High reported that the Police investigation was still "ongoing".
One has to wonder how the Police investigation is going. In contrast with their arrests of Haringey Councillors at the top, there is no news of any charge or arrest relating to any Haringey Council property deal.
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Tags for Forum Posts: Buss Report, Cranwood, Fraud, Gaza, Genocide, Haringey Council, Met, Metropolitan Police, Police, Property Deals
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Permalink Reply by David Cornwell on
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I agree Alan but I belive the main obstacle against any healing is Hamas.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Hi David Cornwell, I tend to be initially sceptical about any "main obstacle".
I once worked as a Social Worker. One of my tasks was visiting children's homes. I noticed a pattern: how some senior residential staff would identify one child as THE problem.
"Thing is, Mr Stanton," they'd say. "These kids would all be fine if you moved Jimmy". Then if Jimmy happened to go home to his parents, you've probably guessed that on my next visit, "THE" main problem was little Jacqui.There was a time when Yasser Arafat was Leader of the Palestine Liberation Organisation. The PLO was likened to Hitler in his bunker by an Israeli Prime Minister. My memory is unreliable these days. But I do recall a video of a Jewish member of Israel's Knesset [Parliament] Shulamit Aloni, breaking Israeli law to go and see Arafat. She impressed me as highly intelligent, very warm, and open minded. I was struck by part of their their conversation when they spoke about how they both grew up in Jerusalem.
I think she took her son along to meet Arafat. Udi Aloni became a film director. He might have shot the video!Again my memory doesn't give me certainty, but as I recall there have been allegations that the Israelis have in the past, supported Hamas to divide [and rule] the Palestinians. Don't believe my memories, of course. But if you are curious you might want to look in the archives of the English Language version of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
This newspaper has two long-standing and prize winning journalists who lived in and wrote about Gaza until they had to leave. One is Gideon Levy. The other, Amira Hass, is I think the sole Jewish journalist living in and reporting from Ramallah on the Palestinian West Bank.If you are interested there are several Israeli history professors who teach in Britain whose books and online videos may help establish facts one way or another.
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Permalink Reply by Iris Allan on
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Correct. Hamas is the main obstacle to anything resembling a lasting peace. This morning's news shows what they do to Arabs living in Gaza who they consider to have collaborated with Israel.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/hamas-led-authoritie...
A peace without removing Hamas would only ever be a temporary reprieve which would enable them to regroup, rebuild and do the same thing again. You only have to ask yourself whether they would use a dirty bomb or chemical weapons if they could get hold of them. I think everyone knows the answer to that question.
If you really want peace, pile the pressure on Hamas to surrender and release the hostages (the Gazans as well as the Israelis).
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Hamas were engaged in negotiations in Qatar. Israel piled-on them.
Bombs which killed people including Qataris. -
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Come on Alan. I know you're not naive but you keep on putting the blame on Israel. Israel know that Hamas have no intention of negotiating any peace as long as Israel exists. They are no more than a terrorist mob who control Palestine by fear, hence the video released yesterday showing Hamas "soldiers" publicly executing alleged traitors by putting bullets into their heads on a very public street.
How the hell can Israel trust any negotaions by these terrorists?
And how the hell can our suppopsed govt recognise Pallestine as a state as well?
Why have multiple Arab countries refused to take refugess from Palestine?
Use your common sense.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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I KNOW of no one who endorsed Hamas' mass killing and kidnapping of nearly two years ago.
Hamas is rightly known as a terrorist group. And I know of their immorality through a family member who has worked in a hospital in Gaza.
At the same time, it is sometimes overlooked that Israel was partly founded through terrorist action. i.e. The Stern Gang or Lehi.
The bombing of the King David Hotel was most-known of many bombings.
Hamas and the Netanyahu Gov. have significant things in common: the most bitter hatred towards each other.
And they are practically united in their opposition to what most outsiders consider to be the only viable solution, i.e. the Two State solution. Which suggests that may be the answer in the long run.
Trump claimed he could stop the war in Ukraine in one day and recently claimed—fatuously—he has already stopped six or seven wars. He might actually be able to reduce the totally disproportionate killing of Palestinian civilians quickly if he wanted to.
In my view, both Hamas and the Netanyahu Govt. should be shunned for the foreseeable future. Possibly to a time post-Trump.
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Hi David Cornwell,
The questions you ask are not unreasonable. But they also prompt several different initial questions. The first is why you are asking me when you appear perfectly capable of exploring these things for yourself.
On this website I've made several suggestions for reading. And for videos. Have you taken any steps to follow up any of these? If not I have a new suggestion: please listen to the British Doctor interviewed on BBC Radio 4 this morning about his work near the Egyptian border.
Then can I please ask why you begin several of your list of questions preceded by the phrase: "How the Hell" . To me this suggests not an open dialogue but a list of pre-judgements. If you don't want to believe me - perhaps because a HoL member makes things up and calls me a Marxist Islamist. To be frank I am ashamed that I know so little about both. Also that I never learned any Arabic - one of the major world langages with words and scientific concepts English is perfectly comfortable to borrow and use.
Anyhow you might prefer to find someone whose judgements syou do trust and ask their views. (Maybe a good friend or relative.) But I urge you to avoid someone who has been brought up in the new religion of Zionism. (However well intententioned Ted Herzl may have been. (I was told one of my ancestors was at a conference in Basel. But I never heard what he thought of it.)
Look as well for an advisor who can hold at least two conflicting theories in their mind at the same time. Imagine we are in 1850 and live in Soho. Also that your local Doctor, John Snow has advised you not to use the nearby water pump.
I'm not joking or teasing you. It took decades before Snow's theory about cholera became widely accepted. We now have a U.S.president who thinks he has found the cause of autism. Though not with science.You asked about terrorism. Well as you know, we're told to believe it's what a Government Minister says it is. Hopefully this will soon be clarified by the courts.
But in the meantime I recommend a teacher and author I think I've mentioned before on HoL. Peter Beinart's latest posting online (in The Beinart Notebook) is about violence and State Terrorism.
You asked "Why have multiple Arab countries refused to take refugees from Palestine? David Cornwell, please read some history books. Or maybe you might enjoy reading Doctor Ghada Karmi. (originally from Jerusalem.) And Historian Professor Avi Shlaim. (Originally from Baghdad.) Or maybe find a a friend or neighbour from Jordan or Lebanon.
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