Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
BBC radio documentary on the North London drug trade
In the early summer BBC Radio 4 broadcast a 30 minute documentary on the local drug trade. It is called How Much Can You Say? It is a window to another world and very well worth a listen. The programme is not pushing a line but describing how things are.
It can be streamed or downloaded from this webpage:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zdjp
It is also available on the BBC Sounds mobile app.
This is the information from the BBC webpage:-
"The north London heroin trade is almost folklore at this stage."
For decades, calculated gang warfare involving Turkish, Turkish Cypriot, and Kurdish heroin dealers has played out on the streets of north London, in the midst of dry cleaners, empty market stalls, and oddly abundant carpet shops. In this intimate documentary, we hear the careful accounts of women and young people on the edges of that world.
"It is a life-or-death situation to say the wrong thing."
Featuring creative direction and original poetry from Tice Cin, an award-winning interdisciplinary artist from Tottenham and Enfield.
"The best way to put it is if you look at the Turkish word ‘suskunluk’ ... It's the honour thing, you can't be bad-mouthing your own community."
Presented by Tice Cin
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Permalink Reply by adamvietnam
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Very interesting - thanks for sharing
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Permalink Reply by tigha
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Fascinating. I don’t know why I’m surprised, but I didn’t know about the brothels. Although yes there were a few dodgy cafes I went into, and got approached by amateurs old men, so I did wonder. I also do wonder how much of it still goes on,as there are plenty of Newley’s which never have any customers, plus a few other dodgy looking shops around
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Permalink Reply by John Grover
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This just proves that open borders do NOT work , the UK is on a steady downward spiral caused by illegals entering by the thousands .
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Permalink Reply by mjchill
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This proves nothing. Every ethnic group has its share of criminals including the British (remember the Kray Twins?). If I were going to be pedantic about it I would point out that most Turks and Kurds came here years ago. They are not "illegals entering by the thousands".
Oh and by the way we do not have open borders. Just ask British people struggling to get permission for their foreign partners to live with them in this country.
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So all the illegals crossing the channel only enter at a controlled crossing , so they can get registered for free handouts from the taxpayers , and once they are in then they can struggle to bring in their foreign partners
You have a revolving door that keeps bringing them in on a daily basis , by the way the Kray Twins were born there
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Oh for goodness sake - "the Kray Twins were born there", implying a foreign country.
Where, in fact? I'll tell you: Haggerston.
"Ronald and Reginald Kray were born on 24 October 1933 in Haggerston, East London, to Charles David Kray (1907–1983) and Violet Annie Lee (1909–1982). The Krays were thorough Eastenders – Charles from Shoreditch and Violet from Bethnal Green". Source Wikipedia.
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When I said that the Kray Twins were born there , I was referring to the UK
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Nope. The UK is here.
"There" is every other country.
"Bringing them in on a daily basis" is also the context you gave for them.
Not so for the Kray Twins, as I've displayed. Born here.
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All nationalities commit crime in the UK but some more so than others relative to their share of the UK population.
The recent release of Ministry of Justice statistics were generally ignored in the media but picked up by a few organisations including The Telegraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/04/one-in-50-albanians-uk-...
And remember, anyone born here, regardless of actual ethnicity is considered 'British'. This masks the true extent of crime by ethnicity as first and second generation Pakistani's, Turks & Kurds, Albanians and Jamaican (just to pick some random examples) are included in the British numbers.
You can find similar trends in official government statistics from other countries too, Sweden and Denmark being well publicised examples.
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