Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
General Election: Anyone Still Undecided?
Most of us have a very limited range of choices in Thursday's General Election. From my recent posts on this site it's clear I don't want to vote Tory. Nor do I want to vote for a pro-genocide candidate. Which is what we'll get with Starmer. And as he has told us Labour now belongs to him. And anyone caught breathing out-of-tune can get purged. So does it matter that Starmer isn't on the ballot form? Won't Haringey's MPs be following Keir's 3-Ems? Murder-Mutilation-Malnutrition?
I used to have a poster printed by Islington Anarchists. But that would be a cop-out. Anyone else in a similar predicament?
Tags for Forum Posts: Anarchism, Keir Starmer, corrupting democracy, general election
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Permalink Reply by Esther Cohen on
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It's Reform for me.
I don't expect them to win but their success will encourage the new Government to address the root cause of so many of the country's problems. It's not immigration. It's uncontrolled immigration!
Several million new arrivals started by Blair and continued by the Conservatives has used up all the available housing stock, stretched our schools and health services to breaking point and diluted our cultural cohesion.
Immigration needs to be limited to highly skilled and in-demand occupations, genuine time-bound international students and a small number of genuine refugees who apply via the correct channels from the first safe country they arrive in once fleeing their homelands.
Our country needs time to heal and integrate those who have recently arrived.
We also need to address the root causes of emmigration by skilled indigenous English, Scottish and Welsh who leave for better lives in Canada, NZ and Australia. That means training people, removing benefits traps and improving the pay and working conditions in the health and care sectors so they become worthwhile careers for British workers.
The status quo no longer works for anyone. To paraphrase Mr Galloway, Labour and the Conservatives are two cheeks of the same bottom. And that bottom needs a good spanking to get them back on track and working for the people of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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The irony being that most of the Reform outfit (and certainly the government of the time) would lay the same charges at the door of the Cohens. A dilution of cultural cohesion and a burden on an already struggling populace. If only they'd stayed in the first safe country etc etc.
Kind of you to have adopted the cause of the embattled 'indigenous' Britons though. I suspect you might use a different pseudonym when you're hanging out in your Reform Party and EDL chatrooms.
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Great post Esther.
I would only clarify that it is important to distinguish "immigration", meaning something done by the rules, from "illegal immigration".
The latter is the heart of the problem - me, the guy who cannot vote in this country but is required to pay nearly 50% of what he makes - has to pay for the illegal immigrant's housing, food, medical services, schooling. Moreover, the illegal immigrant impacts on yours and my own access to those scarce resources that we have paid for and they have not.
The problem has been, as you say, what we call in the USA the Uniparty. I do not have a sense that there is any party that has the cajones to take on the real issues. Farage has demonstrably only the courage to talk about them. But we need to see action.
We have this identical problem back in America - these days we mock the big talkers by noting that they will be sure to write "a strongly worded letter" to the Department of Injustice.
The difference is the political model: There we have to work within the two party system, so our version of "Reform" is something like the Freedom Caucus in the House. This is further why you see two entirely different "Republicans", e.g, the Uniparty fraud Nikki Haley and the great Donald Trump and why enemies within one's own party can be as bad as those of in the opposition party.
Bringing this back to the UK, I don't get a sense that Reform will do much of anything that needs to be done. But a hostile takeover of the "Conservatives" who are almost indistinguishable from their opposition and who serve only City Globalists needs to take place and voting Reform is really the only option.
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LibDems for me.
For amongst other policies is their unambiguous call for an immediate ceasefire in Palestine - the only mainstream party taking such a stance
As for Farage and his gang of cryptofacists - the grift continues unabated with unrealistic solutions offered to the gullible, safe in the knowledge that they'll never be held accountable (which has been Farage's modus operandi for nearly 20 years)
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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I posted what I thought was a neutral-ish question.
Q:"Anyone Still UNdecided?"
Be nice to get some fresh-ish thoughts.
The LEADER of the party I joined nearly fifty years ago appears to be betraying every principle the finest people in that party believed in and campaigned for.
Did Starmer watch the TV news this evening and view yet more evidence of the ongoing genocide in Gaza?~~~~
What is he?
A question I seem to recall Starmer once posing to Boris Johnson.
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Permalink Reply by Martin (Woodside) on
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I mostly agree with what Esther says on this, but Reform would not be my first choice. I guess Alan, that you joined Labour in the Wilson period in its heyday as a 'workers' party made up mainly of people that grafted for a living, and have seen its transition towards an 'Islingtonian intellectual' one. If I may add part of a blog from a main newspaper which sums up much of a certain political elite completely;
'Find a single one of them who has ever run anything, made anything, started anything successful, invented or improved anything, ever mortgaged their house as security to buy a machine, ever created a real job that created revenue for a company and real taxes made of new money into the treasury? I don’t know of any, just a bunch of ideological tapeworms convinced of their intellectual and moral superiority, certain of their entitlement to take and spend other people’s money, but never to create any themselves'.
Needless to say, I'm still undecided and may not even bother.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I have done none of those things but worked for 40 years. My sister never did any of those things but worked as a nurse until she was 60. My dad never did any of those things but worked as a miner then a glassblower until he died at 61. Oh, and my Mam also did none of those things but worked as a school dinner lady then a cook in an old people’s home. Where can I claim my Political Elite badges please?
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Michael, I'd challenge you in one respect. Martin Woodside seems by implication to use definitions of 'run' , 'make', 'improve'; and which relate to a restricted range of so-called "real jobs"; and of what is "money".
Somewhere I may still have a book called "Who Cooked Adam Smith's Dinner?" by Katrine Marshall whose name I have misspelled so someone can imagine that I don't really have a copy and have not read it.
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Then you and your family members are equally unqualified to run the country!
'Run', in this context, doesn't necessarily mean making money. It means having been responsible for organising a number of resources (human and other) to deliver a service or product at scale and engage with risk in a calculated way.
MPs, and especially Ministers responsible for a Department, need to have experience running an organisation so they are not out of their depth when overseeng multi billion pound budgets and government services which impact peoples' lives.
It would be a different story if you and your family members had run a social care organistion, run the nursing department, run the multi-site catering service or managed the mine.
Martin's point is well made. However, it doesn't just apply to Labour candidates. Failure to understand supply chains, economics and procurement principles led to the Conservatives PPE wastage.
Good candidates should also have a range of life experiences and understand the lives of everyday people like yoir family and the issues that are important to them. Labour politicians living in the metropolitan bubble are equally susceptible to being out of touch with people outside the bubble as are the stereotypical Conservatives who studied at elite independent boarding schools. At least at those schools, there is a heavy emphasis on understanding 'privilege' and the lives of people here and abroad who are less fortunate.
Reform is so popular because people can imagine having a pint with Farage and having something in common. They can't imagine doing the same with Starmer or Sunak who would no doubt put on a mock estuary accent and start talking about sports they don't understand.
My dad was a tool factory owner maker dontyaknow! Ha!!!
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Gordon, please find a quiet space and a comfortable chair and, say, an hour of calm. . Then imagine yourself magically given power to specify who are best qualified to contribute to the successful running of a country. Will you start by sacking the feminists, Psalmists, doctors, nurses, poets, singers, mothers, carpenters, philosophers etc etc. You get my drift.
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So all those people employed to advise because their expertise are a waste of money then?
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That's an odd position to hold. How did you arrive at it?
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